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A Different Look at Jesus

21st Century Wire says…

Where there is a Jesus debate, controversy is never far behind. One reason for this is the seemingly endless filmed versions and revisions about the story of Jesus.

The films are always big news. Whether it’s Jesus of Nazareth (1977), or The Last Temptation of Christ (1988), or The Passion of the Christ (2004), the debate is normally split between two aspects of presentation – Jesus Christ as the son of god – an eternal being, and Jesus the living, breathing, walking and talking historical figure. Interpretations between sects of Christianity can be markedly different, especially when addressing Jesus the man.

In 2014, we saw the release of the Hollywood production entitled, Son of God, as the latest film depicting the life and times of Jesus of Nazareth. Not groundbreaking in itself, what the film did reinvigorate was the debate about how, and why, Jesus is being depicted in certain ways by a legacy of writers, historians and media producers.

Suprisingly and rather unexpectedly, from the media angle of things, by far the most interesting take on this film came via Christianity Today. It’s not the insight anyone was expecting, by very sharp and to the point:

“Watching Son of God is a bit like listening to a pretty good tribute band doing a set list of Top 40 hits you have heard most of your life. The delivery is not bad, and the individual songs carry enough significance for you (both emotional and biographical) that the performance really only needs to remind you of what you already love.

If that comparison feels glib, then watching Son of God could be compared to watching someone else’s professionally filmed wedding video. You understand why it is so precious to the person sharing it with you. But it is a summary of what happened, not a re-creation of the event. Plus you risk offending your hosts if you mention that one of the bridesmaids is wearing slightly different-colored shoes, or that the organist is playing a different song than what was listed in the program they showed you.”

Clearly, Jesus as the Christ represents somewhat different things to different people who consider themselves Christians. The same could be said for different Muslims sects, each of whom may interpret their revered Prophet Jesus differently. For Jews, it’s even more radically different, as they do not recognise Jesus as much more than ‘a son of a carpenter’.

There are plenty of academic and authors on the case as well. Reza Aslan is an Iranian-American writer and scholar and author of the recent book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, and his take on Jesus is based primarily on Jesus as a man and historical figure based in a specific time and place – Roman Occupied Palestine.

If you consider the parallels in that story and events of today, then even a different story of the present begins to emerge…

Brasscheck TV

How much do we really know about the historical figure Jesus of Nazareth?

A lot more than you think, but because of “Religion Inc.” it’s hard to see the forest for the trees.

Reza Aslan is a historian and professor of religion. Fox News has a lot of trouble grasping this. They and others also have a lot of trouble understanding Jesus the historical figure.

The Council of Nicea which set the course of Christianity was held after the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the Imperial Religion. After the Council anyone who didn’t agree with the strict party line was either burned at the stake and fled for the hills. Watch…

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  • There was no Jesus. No one mentioned him, except the Romans Flavians who wrote the Gospels. There wasn’t even a Town of Nazareth in the 1st Century!

    • John Cook

      Jews believe in him enough to absolutely hate his guts…

      • Billy Carlin

        That is because they are as stupid and ignorant as the other religions taking what is Pagan myths literally instead of as being the ancient Science and Astrotheology that they REALLY are.

  • If one seriously wants to bandy about speculations on a “historical Jesus” (Yeshua, whatever) one owes it to potential readers, watchers, and listeners to first give a close reading to Joseph Atwill’s “Caesar’s Messiah.” What Atwill has discovered in comparing the mysterious New Testament “Gospels” and the supposed histories of Flavius Josephus, and has described in his pivotal work in intricate detail, essentially rises to the level of proof that the character Jesus was created out of whole-cloth by the Roman patricians to pacify the remains of the Judeans and the slave class of the Roman Empire. They created the most successful mind control regime in history, still good 2 millennia later.

    • BW3

      Well that is interesting too. What say you to the below info?

      • Well, it’s totally understandable that the mind-controllers still benefiting from the spell cast by “christianity,” as well as those under this powerful, emotional spell need to “debunk” this book.

        Give “Caesar’s Messiah” a close reading and then get back to us. It explains very well the need and benefit from the effort to create a synthetic religion.

        • Tyndale Isreal

          research former occultists like Roger Morneau, Earthquake Kelly, Johanna Michaelsen, Carolyn Hamlett, etc…

          the Babylon system is orchestrated through “elites” who sell-out for power and bling.

          Read: The Two Babylons

          by Alexander Hislop

        • Jo Brown

          The arguments in the video are very sensible and destroy the notion that Christianity was invented by the Romans. I notice you don’t address the points in the video. Perhaps that is because you can’t?

          • The only argument in the video that has any merit is from the writing of Tacitus. Not only was Tacitus writing more than a hundred years after the “facts” he supposedly related about the “kristians” (and we don’t know that they related to followers of “Jesus”), so that he could certainly have been in on the official propaganda message, but there is academic speculation that passage may have been forged.

          • Jo Brown

            There’s also the timing argument, showing that this alleged hoax occurred after Christians already existed. Or the lunacy of Rome creating a religion for the people for which they would then brutally persecute the people, and the lunacy of Rome creating a religion whose figurehead demanded sole worship of God rather than people worshiping multiple gods or the emperor himself which was also required at the time. You seem to have overlooked these.
            Just face it, you’re clinging to some ridiculous conspiracy theory that is shrouded in the mists of time, and claiming that you -2000 years removed from the events- know better than those who witnessed it personally and wrote about it.
            “But there is academic speculation that passage may have been forged.” — but for you that translates as concrete evidence that Christianity is a hoax, a hoax so perfect no less that 2000 years of close scrutiny has not revealed it. Until some “clever” debunker showed up and wrote a book about it, of course. *rolls eyes*

          • Hows about you read Atwill’s book closely, then discuss further.

          • Jo Brown

            Don’t need to. I can tell from what I see right here that it’s nothing but worthless crap. And if it’s anything like that nutjob Billy Carlin that I just replied to, then I’m going to hurt my head trying to read illogical imcomprehensible lunatic ravings. I’ll stick with the Word of God thanks. It’s much more sensible. And it has a fantastic “ending” – though you can’t really call eternal life an “ending”. 🙂

      • liberman

        The Roman Empire/”Church” acted and preached diametrically
        opposed to the coherent contents of the Gospel, thus
        the Roman establishment was itself the Anti-Christ,
        until Martin Luther managed to indirectly reform that one too.
        1. The Romans claimed Jesus had been murdered,
        rather had not shed his own blood,
        thus omitting the ground for the new testaments.
        2. The Romans told the commoners that since god had been
        murdered (…contrary to the Gospel),
        that salvation was gone forever after,
        thus oppression cannot be averted.
        More about this:

    • LABobE

      Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence,not because of it.

      • Tyndale Isreal

        utterly false and no serious scholar would agree w you.

      • Jo Brown

        Thousands of handwritten copies of ancient scriptures, all accurately confirming the reality of Jesus the resurrected miracle worker, would disagree with you.

        • my2Cents

          Copies of copies the oldest dating from the 3rd Century…And since they lacked a xerox, ALL of them are different…..So which is to be believed. .NO originals…

          A born again Christian…subsequent Biblical Scholar and PhD from Princeton Bart Ehrman…Currently Chairs the Dept. of Religious Studies at University of North Caroline. Chapel Hill studied the gazillion different copies of the same text only to come away from it not believing a thing. He authored 20 books among which “Misquoting Jesus – the Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why?”

    • Tyndale Isreal

      yeah, then watch Joseph Atwater debunked to see all the b.s….

      then “Zeitgeist Debunked” and “Ancient Aliens debunked”–>VERY EDIFYING=lies are purveyed as entertainment and distraction from the truth: Jesus Christ.

      better to look at the actual scholarship:

      YT:Lee Strobel – The Case for the Resurrection

      YT: The Bible Is True! ~ The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict

      YT: Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

      youtube: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars – Gary Habermas at UCSB http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M

      TY: The Forbidden Book – History of The English Bible (Documentary Film)

  • OsNetDaily

    Gotta love 21wire’s ability to come up with those nice little anachronisms like “Jesus based in a specific time and place – Roman Occupied Palestine”.
    Sorry guys, the Romans invented “Palestine” only a century after they crucified Jesus, who opposed their illegal occupation of JUDEA.
    We can imagine today he would have been crucified by 21wire as a ‘Zionist Extremist’ for the very same reason.
    Anyways, as for the Son of god theme and the Resurrection theme, check out this link: http://osnetdaily.com/2013/12/the-origins-of-christmas/

    • Billy Carlin

      The Romans NEVER crucified Jesus because JESUS never existed and neither did Nazareth at his supposed time.

      The entire Jesus STORY can be shown on the ZODIAC as can Mithra, Krishna etc etc etc as they are ALL Astrotheological stories. The Jesus story can also be shown in the Human Body, as can the rest of them – As Above – So Below – because the Ancients who wrote the SCIENCE book – The Holy Bible or it’s REAL meaning SUN BOOK had more knowledge and technology than we have at present and knew about everything from the tiniest Atom to the biggest galaxy.

      Jesus is Greek for FISH (Ichthys) and Christ is Greek for OIL because every 29 and a half days with the New Moon there is a Seed (OIL) born in the Claustrum (Where Saint (Santa) Claus comes from and which means Cloister or MANGER) and the story of Jesus in the Bible is the story of that SEED (OIL’s) journey down the Spinal Canal (River Jordan) and down the body and back up – if you do not save yourself by wasting it – to the Pineal Gland – The THIRD EYE. Before it enters the Pineal Gland it is CRUCIFIED – Which does NOT mean to kill but means to INCREASE IN POWER A THOUSAND FOLD – Which when it enters the Pineal Gland AWAKENS millions more of your dormant brain cells and raises your consciousness levels.

      The Bible is a book of SCIENCE, ASTROTHEOLOGY, ASTRONOMY, MEDICINE etc etc etc and the Elites know all this as do there controlled Masonic organisations hence their obsession with the Third Eye and in calcifying the masses Pineal Gland with Fluoride and getting everyone to kill off this Seed (OIL) by drinking, smoking, crap food, poisons in vaccines etc etc etc.

      The books GOD-MAN THE WORD MADE FLESH and ZODIAC AND THE SALTS OF SALVATION both by DOCTOR George W Carey and Perry give the EXACT meanings of the Words, People and Places in the Bible and are an excellent place to start for anyone wishing to know the TRUTH.

      • usmcmailman


        • Billy Carlin

          I agree – the religious crap spouted by the masses who do NOT have a clue as to the REAL meanings of these words, people and places in the Bible. Who believe all of the crap that the Elites tell them through religion etc to control them – getting them to believe that they have to wait until they die before being “saved” instead of standing on their own two feet and NOT listening to them and doing all the right things to save themselves and make things better right NOW.

          Of course you are more knowledgeable and have more advanced technology than the ancients who wrote all of this down and built the things such as the pyramids that we could not do especially with the same accuracy today.

          • Tyndale Isreal
          • Jo Brown

            You can’t save yourself! That’s the whole reason Jesus came to Earth to be a perfect atoning sacrifice in our place. All human effort to save one’s self is futile. You may extend your life a few years by not doing anything stupid. You may even improve your enjoyment of life by doing the right things. But in the end you will still die, and you will still be judged for your sins and, in the absence of faith in Jesus substitutionary death, you will have to die the second death as punishment for your sins.
            Of course you are more knowledgeable and have more advanced technology than the Creator who wrote all of this down and preserved his Word throughout the ages so that we can read it with great accuracy today.

          • Billy Carlin

            Deary Deary me! How the ignorant cling to the lies of the Elites. There was NO Jesus – NEVER was. I have explained the REAL meaning of the Jesus stories above which is the EXACT same story as ALL of the other “saviour’s all over the world.

            Jesus is Greek for FISH – Fact! Christ is Greek for OIL – Fact! Because all of you ignorant numpties do not have a clue as to what the REAL meanings of the words, people and places in the Bible are really about – people who believe all of the drivel that they are told by the religions all set up and controlled by the same Elites and controlled through the secret societies such as the masons who have been doing so since Babylon and even before that.

            Also you religious people are so stupid and ignorant to realise that you do not die because you have never been born in the first place this being a COMPUTER GENERATED HOLOGRAM – German scientists are close to finding the grid that the light photons travel along that will prove this. The Electric Universe people are PROVING that the only thing that exists in this universe is ELECTRICITY which fits in EXACTLY with the Holographic Universe. Oh! And another thing that PROVES this is the FACT that everything in this universe is made up of ATOMS which are ELECTRICAL – a NUCLEUS with an ELECTRON spinning round it and it does NOT matter how many ATOMS you squash together they will NEVER become a solid because they are all EMPTY.

            So your creator is a computer programmer or programmers who created this COMPUTER GENERATED HOLOGRAM and either way whoever created this universe does NOT give a toss about you or any other person or creature on this planet as you and me and everyone else are just like insignificant little microorganisms in this universe and destructive selfish ones destroying this planet to boot and thinking that they are superior to everything else while doing so.

            You religious people should stick to something more important such as trainspotting to keep your brain cell occupied instead of trying to justify your dishonest drivel – the only people you convince is your fellow ignoramuses.

          • Jo Brown

            You’re the ignorant one. Read my other, much much longer post, which lists a whole bunch of stuff you debunkers routinely overlook. (Search further down for “What all these writers who”….)

            And Jesus does not mean fish in Greek.
            Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: – Jesus.

            Neither does Christ mean oil, but anointed.
            From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: – Christ.

            And what kind of fool are you? You say this entire universe and all the intricate life in it was not the creation of an omnipotent God, no that’s just a fairytale. The reality, according to your drug-addled brain, is that this is all a giant computer simulation. Yeah sure doofus, that is much more believable! (NOT!) If that were to be the case, in what “universe” does the computer, on which this simulation is being run, exist? And who created that universe? And who is/are the beings who wrote the software for the computer simulation? And how many gazzillions of terrabytes of data storage does this computer have? And how many gazzillions of terraflops of processing power does it have? And where does the power come from to run this giant computer? And why have we never, not in several thousand years, seen the “blue screen of death” asking someone to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete to reboot because something got seriously screwed up somewhere in the calculations?

            You, along with the evolution nutcases out there, have totally lost the plot. You ascribe as more believable the things that are totally unbelievable. Your attempts to lead people away from God will cost you dearly in the end.

            EDIT: I just re-read the crap you wrote at the top of this comment line in response to OsNetDaily. You can’t even get your various views to mesh! You say this is a computer simulation and not God’s creation, but earlier you said that the bible is a book of science and astrotheology and the elites know all this so they’re very busy trying to calcify people’s pineal glands so we can’t raise our conscience levels. For what purpose? It’s all a computer simulation so nothing really matters then, does it? You’re as cuckoo as bat dung, and I think your tin foil hat is restricting blood flow to your brain.

          • Billy Carlin

            Oh Dear! I do not do drugs or drink nor smoke but for you to ask the questions as to who is the beings who wrote the computer software and what universe does this computer exist etc is the biggest joke in the universe and just shows how THICK you people are.

            You all shove your no proof ignorant shite down everyone’s throat all the time just because someone else – with an agenda to control you and everyone else – and you believe it it must be true and so we must believe what you and they believe and if we don’t that spiteful revengeful bastard God of yours will if we do not grovel to and worship him send us to your no proof pal Satan to be tortured for ever for not being a groveling little sycophant like you – hate to tell you but I do not believe your shite and it does not scare me one bit and if you are dead and you think that someone can burn and torture a “spirit” or something with no matter, nerves etc then you really are as THICK as mince.

            Everything matters THICKO! That is the point to keep your simulation running the way it is supposed to run and healthy – the ancients knew all of this and the Elites know this as well and they have been keeping the masses dumbed down for thousands of years with religion etc and now that that is not working they have resorted to putting fluoride in the water/toothpaste and poisoning everyone with GMO food and Mercury, Formaldehyde, Aluminum etc in the vaccines.

            Funny the Jesus story can be shown EXACTLY on the ZODIAC and in the Human Body as can all of the other EXACT same stories such as Krishna, Mithra etc etc etc everyone with more than the religious nutters one brain cell wanting to see the TRUTH about all of that should watch the videos by the excellent Santos Bonacci where he shows that EXACTLY.

            Oh look another ex-christian who has discovered the TRUTH about religion the excellent Bill Donahue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYxjAvQ4l0

            The Holographic Universe – many more on youtube showing this as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuANDlrTHyI

            Thunderbolts of the Gods – proof of the electric universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA

            Oh Look – for the religious THICKOS everything in the universe can be recreated ELECTRICALLY in the laboratory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI

            All just some of the people providing the proof of these things while the religious THICKOS present absolutely NO evidence for their God, Jesus or solid matter made out of EMPTY atoms etc.

          • Jo Brown

            Again you show your ignorance. God does not hand sinners over to Satan to be tortured for ever and ever. Satan is not on God’s payroll, no he is an adversary of God. The bible states Satan will eventually end up in the fires of hell, and it will devour him (in other words, there won’t be anything left of Satan except ashes).
            The same applies to all those who follow Satan. They will be consumed in the fires of hell, until they are gone. The fires of hell don’t burn for ever and ever, they burn until the job is done. In the bible “for ever” doesn’t always mean ad infinitum. It can also mean for the duration of someone’s lifetime. A loving God would not torture someone for trillions of years over some sins committed during a 70 year lifespan. God cannot tolerate sin, so he must punish it, but the punishment is for a finite time and is then accomplished. Its effects are forever though. The sinner will not inherit eternal life. Therefore sinners will not “live” eternally in the fires of hell. They will experience what the bible calls the second death. Gone, finito, no coming back, completely cease to exist.

            I notice you didn’t actually answer any of my questions regarding this computer simulation. They need to be answered though, because if everything is a computer simulation, that must be one hell of a powerful computer, to simulate not just every ATOM in this universe, but every sub-atomic particle too, and all the electromagnetic rays whizzing about everywhere too. And this machine has supposedly been running this simulation for ten of thousands, if not millions, of years without ever crashing or without its hardware breaking down. You live in a fantasy world my friend, not a simulation.

            And that the universe may or may not be dominated by electrical phenomena, rather than gravitational forces, does not in any way affect the truth of the bible. It merely shows that scientists have been labouring under the wrong paradigm for all these years, and that with the latest research we’ve begun to understand that electricity plays a major role in the way the universe operates.

          • my2Cents

            Religion and its Doctrines and Dogmas are a human construct…..It was the political system in which “religious” claptrap was used to control the masses. By definition it separates people from God.

          • my2Cents

            How many children do you have????
            Which of those would YOU sacrifice in a MOST HORRIFIC WAY to atone for the misdeeds of the other.? Which one?
            If you have no children the question is moot and your answer irrelevant.
            However….if God created mankind in his own image what does that mean to you?….And how would you come to terms with the Jews/Hindus/Buddhist/Muslims….all created in His image….but who according to you will not be saved because of either never having heard of Jesus, or believe he is the same as Krishna or the Buddha….Did God screw up….have a sense of humor.?…And if anyone finds the notion of a “loving father” offering his “most beloved son” for the shortcomings of the rest of his creation REVOLTING, which it is…people of sound mind have no use for that God, OR some will decide to simply go on sinning, not wanting to have Jesus died in vain.

            The whole story you hang on to is beyond absurd…
            Christianity was invented by Paul (formerly Saul) of Tarsus (Turkey) who after an epileptic seizure decided that instead of persecuting the early Christians he would start preaching except that he knew nothing about Jesus.
            There’s no Mary or Joseph in Paul’s writings, no 12 disciples…Paul’s religion consists only of 3 things taken directly from Mithra, the Sung God, and either you buy it or you don’t…
            1. Jesus died for our sins
            2. Jesus rose from the dead
            3. Believe in Jesus earn us heaven

            (Mythra was born of a virgin on December 25th, had 12 disciples, died on a cross, rose after 3 days and ascended into heaven – And Mythra had a last supper (Eucharist)
            There are 16 other Gods born of a virgin on that day who died on a cross..etc.

            Entirely missing from Paul’s narrative are the teachings of Jesus.

            “The Mythmaker – Paul and the Invention of Christianity”
            Prof. Hyam Maccoby.
            Reading reader’s comments is enlightening

            PS The Eucharist (from pagan Mythra) was AGAINST ALL Hebrew laws and considered cannibalism. Paul was chastised for it as mentioned in Acts. He was eventually ousted from the early christian church.
            Jesus was a Jew and by his own word he “kept the laws” (Torah)meaning the died a Jew!!!

            There is NO Christianity today. You believe in Paulinism/Mithraism which has ZIP NADA to do with the teachings of Jesus. Jesus is depicted with what we refer to as a Halo…..It’s the pagan symbol of the Sun God. Early crosses ALL have a circle in the middle which is a Mithra cross. So before you continue judging others let me suggest you do some research before adopting someone elses faith…..Faith is not inherited it is a profoundly personal thing.

            Which one are you

  • abinico

    Jesus is a great diversion from the simple path specified by the 10 Commandments.

  • Blah…

    I don’t believe his explanations about the intentions of the gospels, but some interesting things still said…..

  • paulreverewannabe

    i’ll agree with the majority of this article. i’m sure everyone has heard this before. kind of like the friends uncle who works at the pentagon said “insert message here”. but anywho a close friend of mine is currently translating the bible into english from 3 different languages. he is hitting discrepancy after discrepancy and isn’t even half way finished. i find it entertaining hearing his frustrations. i have just begun reading his translation, and from what i can gather thus far, the most damning evidence is that jesus was not recognized as the son of god. if this has merit than the foundations of many modern day faiths would likely be shattered and the open manipulations be categorized as a form of control. control + faith would = control faith which could likely cause a tremor in society if it were ever truly realized. after the tremor the culprits would be crucified by the public. i doubt there would be enough forgiveness left to move on with their lives without administering severe repercussions at that turning point

    • Jo Brown

      “the most damning evidence is that jesus was not recognized as the son of god”
      Wow, you make it sound like you’ve uncovered an amazing secret that no one has known about for thousands of years.
      Perhaps you should read the gospel of John:
      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. [John 1:1-11]

      When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” [Matthew 16:13-14]

      And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” [Luke 9:22]

      Yes Jesus was not recognised as the Son of God by most of the people, especially the religious leaders who should have recognised him, and that’s why they crucified him. You’re not uncovering anything new or profound. But his resurrection and subsequent appearance to many of his followers (Acts 1:3) proved he was in fact the Son of God.
      For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. [1 Corinthians 15:3-8]

  • againstcorporaterule

    I was going to recommend Joseph Atwill’s ‘Caesar’s Messiah’ documentary (and book), but I see that others have already done that. SO COOL!!!!

    But furthermore, after reading John Lash’s ‘Not In His Image’ (Another book I highly recommend to help dispel the mind control “Christianity” paradigm we all labor under), I refuse to use the word ‘God’ to describe the Loving Creator.

  • liberman

    This Professor still has a long way to go:
    1. Jesus is mentioned in Jewish religious books like Talmud,
    that is outside of Gospelian context. Having acknowledged that Jesus
    was of Jewish extraction and education, perhaps it is time he also
    learnt Hebrew and Aramaic and read the actual material.
    2. An interface of an object is in that object and of that object,
    thus it is actually easy to understand the gospel
    about Jesus and Maria being the God while being human.
    For quick comparison, object-oriented analysis/design/programming
    is officially an extraction from C.G.Jung’s great contribution
    to the basic theory of Psychology. Likewise in generations past,
    theology which of course predated per-Se psychology, had a concept
    of systems analysis, design and programming – of human societies.
    3. The ascensions of Jesus and Maria mean that these
    two interfaces of God are pulled back, thus are closed ever since,
    yielding a uniform God just like before they were born.
    Those interfaces were necessary in order to override some laws
    provided by Moses, who has always been the supreme prophet.
    4. The term ‘the new testament’ means that god pays with his own blood
    for the sins of people thus he doesn’t need their blood for atonement:
    * Please note that in Hebrew the word ‘Damn’
    means both blood and monetary penalties.
    ** ‘mn’ for a strong consonant, yet without shortening the ‘a’ before it.
    More on this:

    • Jo Brown

      There is no scripture that says Maria ascended. She eventually died and is even now sleeping in the grave, awaiting the return of the Lord when his voice will awaken her from the grave to join all the other followers to meet the Lord in the air and enter into the wedding feast. (1Th 4:16) Those who die go to the grave to “sleep” there until resurrected, so it’s no use praying to Maria -a mere human- who is totally unaware of all these prayers directed at her. (Ecc 9:5-6; Ecc 9:10; Isa 26:14) It’s no use praying to Maria or any of the saints or apostles for another reason: The bible says you have ONE mediator between man and God and that is Jesus Christ. (1Ti 2:5) And here’s another reason NOT to pray to Maria or any other saint: The bible specifically warns you NOT to attempt to communicate with the dead. (Lev 19:31; Lev 20:6; Isa 8:19) It is a lie from Satan that the dead are either in hell or heaven and can be communicated with. Believing this leaves you wide open to demonic deception, as you will instead be communicating with demonic spirits (fallen angels) rather than the dead person you think you’re communicating with who is actually asleep and totally unaware in the grave.

  • Jo Brown

    What all these writers who write lot$ of book$ debunking Jesus Christ as myth or whatever, what these writers should do is interview the thousands, if not millions, of people around the world who have experienced Jesus in their own lives: healings, delivery from addiction, near death experiences, delivery from demonic possession, delivery from satanism, etc. I’m sure all these saved people have a different take on all these debunking books, and consider them all just bunkum written for profit or to advance a personal agenda. The debunkers should also explain, if Jesus is just a myth, why so many prophecies point to him, and why so many other prophecies in the bible have already happened with stunning accuracy, or are now in the process of coming to fulfillment with stunning accuracy. If these are all silly superstitious stories by a bunch of sun-stroked towel-heads, why do they form a cohesive unit of books that has survived at least 2000 years of intense scrutiny by millions of people? Why does the bible contain scientific facts that were not known at the time they were written? And is it really just pure coincidence that if you write the meaning of the names of the first 10 generations (from Adam to Noah) it spells out a sentence that is essentially a summary of the gospel? (The sentence is “man [is] appointed mortal sorrow [but] the blessed God came down teaching his death shall bring the despairing comfort”) If these bible books are all just myths and fairy tales, why is it that archaeologists say of the bible that it is the most accurate reference book they have to the past. It’s accuracy concerning names of kings and cities and empires etc is unsurpassed. If these were deliberately concocted fables it would not have such accuracy, nor would it have true prophecy, nor would it result in changed lives of those touched by its power.
    But these days, so many are unwilling to acknowledge God, even though the evidence for his existence is seen in everything that is around us. Evolutionists are constantly battling problems with holes in their theory, and the fossil evidence just doesn’t stack up with the evolution myth. But the bible says God created everything and that after man became exceedingly wicked God destroyed them all with a flood, and today we see the evidence of that in the form of landscapes that could only have formed through the action of huge amounts of water, and in the form of billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. Fossils of clams on the highest mountains – how did that happen? Clams don’t climb mountains very well! But the bible says that at the end of the flood the mountains rose out of the water and the valleys sank (thus forming ocean basins) and we see the evidence of that even today.
    At no time have we ever observed a complex machine assemble itself from nothing, but that is what evolutionists would like us to believe about ourselves and all the living things around us. Each living cell a vastly complex machine, operated by a chemical “computer code” that somehow came together by accident! Any rational person would acknowledge that such intricate mechanisms exist contrary to the common inclination of things to trend towards disarray, and must therefore be the product of a supreme intelligence that put them together skillfully and purposefully. And I could go on and on. But those writers of those debunking books think they’re so smart. In a way I suppose they are. They’re getting rich peddling their foolish musings to all those who are eager to dispose of God from their lives. But God will not be mocked. Even now his wise followers see happening around the world the signs he said would herald his imminent return. Signs that were predicted almost 2000 years ago. How silly it must have seemed to his contemporaries for John the apostle to write that a future leader would cause everyone to receive a mark in their hand or forehead without which you couldn’t buy or sell. How could Ceasar stop anyone from trading a silver coin for a bag of apples with someone in the seclusion of the forest? But nowadays, we have computerised banking, and our money is represented by 1’s and 0’s on a harddrive somewhere. All they have to do is cancel cash currency and outlaw private ownership of gold and silver (as done in 1933 also) and you will be completely dependent on electronic banking. Do away with swipe cards and put a chip in people’s hands and you’re there: you have a mark without which you can’t buy or sell. And this was foretold 2000 years ago. But hey, debunk away! The fool has said in his heart “there is no God”. Unfortunately for the fool, God is about to wrap up this clapped out evil world, and you will all get to see the Son of Man, the Messiah, arrive to collect his followers. His followers will view his arrival with great joy, but for the rest of the world they will experience great terror at his arrival instead. They will instantly know the foolishness of their so-called wisdom. But, it’ll be too late to switch sides then. Instead of spending their money on debunking books, they should have bought a bible and studied it themselves. That would have been the wise thing to do.