EXCLUSIVE: The Chris Dorner Enigma – What Really Happened and Why

Finally unraveling one of the most bizarre and high-profile murder-fugitive stories in US history.

Robert Singer

21st Century Wire

We are told that a terrorist is a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the definition of the term “terrorism.” Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of “terrorism.” These difficulties arise from the fact that the term “terrorism” is politically and emotionally charged. [From Wikipedia]

According to the authorities, Christopher Jordan Dorner (photo, left) is a violent domestic terrorist.

Dorner, a former LAPD cop and honorably discharged Navy reservist, was accused of killing four people in February 2013 . The Police also claim Dorner is the author of numerous versions of a rage-filled “manifesto” where he vows to “bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in an LAPD uniform whether on or off duty.” Later Dorner is quoted in the LA Times: “I don’t want to hurt you, I just want to clear my name.” Does this sound like something a violent domestic terrorist would say?

Where is the evidence that Dorner killed anyone?

  • A photo of .308 sniper rifle and a handgun that has not been connected to the murders.
  • Numerous versions of a manifesto written by someone with a 2nd amendment agenda rather than a policeman writing to expose police corruption and trying to clear his name.

Note there is absolutely no proof Dorner killed anyone especially Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence.

According to the official story, at 9:10 P.M on February 3, 2013 a couple, walking through the upper floor (roof level) of the parking garage at 2100 Scholarship, Irvine CA, spotted a man and woman [Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence] slumped over inside a car that reportedly belonged to Keith Lawrence.

Here is what the public is expected to believe. In a million dollar neighborhood, in a racist area of the country, a large black man breaks into a secured garage and is allowed by a police officer (who theoretically knows he’s hostile) to walk up to the officer’s car under a bright light and shoot the officer and his girlfriend (also from a police background) while nobody hears any shots and then departs, going both in and out of the garage in front of a video camera. Of course, the police (who want us to believe this) have failed to release the video footage that would show they were right about it being Chris Dorner who did all this. 

What Really Happened to Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence
 By Ruth Hull

The largest manhunt since 9/11; involving the FBI, SWAT teams, over 10,000 officers, tightened Border Patrol [including checkpoints in Big Bear], drones, helicopters and aerial search teams with thermal imaging technology finally barbecued their man in a cabin in Big Bear.

How do we know it was Dorner?

Dorner’s California Driver’s License was found near a burned corpse in the basement area of the burned building cabin. Is that possible?

X(Image, left: Source USA Today)

As you can see in the image above, it is hard to believe a plastic driver’s license could recognizably survive such a fire. I remind the reader that on February 7, 2013 it had been reported that Dorner’s wallet and identification had been found by a shuttle bus driver in the San Diego area. [1]

Tactical Elements of Dorner’s Rampage

The first problem with the story is the tactical elements of Dorner’s rampage, John Miller CBS News senior correspondent and former head of the LAPD Major Crimes Division said the attacks likely took a…

“remarkable amount of pre-staging” and added that “somebody who put that much pre-staging planning into a series of events … it’s doubtful that they didn’t put the same amount of planning into the end game … It makes you wonder what his plan is for the end game.” Bratton said he found it “very surprising that now with all this attention Dorner has brought onto himself, he has not started to reach out to the media to exploit it … it’s very interesting that he has stayed quiet.”

Miller explained that Dorner “cut off all his cell phones and other connections” on Jan. 31 and Bratton said, “he’s aware that anything he uses electronically can be immediately zeroed in on so he’s possibly staying quiet because of that understanding. As they look to bring the manhunt to an end, “the police are certainly on edge,” Bratton said, emphasizing that Dorner is “an incredibly dangerous individual.”

The second problem that everyone should be questioning is why “the police are certainly on edge” and is Dorner “an incredibly dangerous individual?”

LAPD was never spooked by Christopher Dorner: Something doesn’t smell right

Is it really possible that one man with military training had one of the most militarized and largest police forces in the world spooked over the threats in a rambling manifesto?

Was Dorner the most dangerous suspect ever faced by LAPD?

The LAPD is one of the most militarized police forces in the country and Daryl Gates and William H. Parker L.A. Police chiefs made it a point to hire military men to be on the force. Former Navy Seals, Green Berets, Marines, Special Forces and SWAT teams make up the ranks of LAPD and Southern California police forces in general.

Why would one man who “just wanted to clear his name” spook the LAPD?

Los Angeles is home to some of the most ruthless, well armed and vicious organized gangs. The Crips, Bloods, Mexican Mafia, Armenian Mob, Aryan Brotherhood, Skinheads, Russian Mob and of course the drug cartels. The gangs are real and are openly hostile to the LAPD, yet we have never seen the Police go after those same gangs with the same determination and resolve. Even after those criminals were deemed terrorists and murdered entire families.

During the height of the LA rebellions in 1992 we saw the Parker Center police headquarters destroyed by angry mobs but we didn’t see a thousand cops on the streets “looking” for anyone. Police officers’ families weren’t protected. Million dollar rewards weren’t offered, freeways weren’t shut down for hours and protection squads weren’t assigned to everyone in “danger.”

What about the niece of former L.A. Police Chief Bernard Parks who was killed by gang members in 2000? Where was the manhunt to eradicate the gang that killed her?

There have long been rogue officers, some friendly, some not so friendly to the force, but never has there been a statewide manhunt to stop them. The LAPD, no matter what they say, could not have been in the imminent danger they claimed – not with all their resources, manpower and history.

I have only two possibilities to explain what really happened:

1)    Monica Quan is the daughter of Randall Quan, the first Chinese-American captain in the Los Angeles Police Department. Randal Quan, who became a lawyer in retirement [2], was hired by the LAPD officers’ union, the Los Angeles Police Protective League, to represent Dorner at an internal LAPD hearing prior to his termination in 2009. During that time Dorner confided in Quan something the LAPD has been keeping secret for years. Dorner involved in trying to clear his name may have threatened to disclose the LAPD secret. Silencing Dorner was simple, “he never had the opportunity to have a family,” but Quan we can assume realized the danger he posed to the LAPD and stored away one of those “open if something happens to me letters.” How do  you keep Quan quiet? You kill one of his four children and blame it on Dorner in a rambling manifesto. [3]

2)    The police are under pressure to explain the rise in police shootings of unarmed individuals.

If you recall, two women in Torrance delivering newspapers were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for Christopher Dorner. There was no warning, no orders, no commands, the police officers just opened fire on their vehicle. News Services Fake Dorner Manifesto, Quick-Shooting Police Mistake Little Women for a Big Man

Was this really a tragic case of mistaken identity, as LAPD Chief Charlie Beck would have us believe?

The Police believed the two Hispanic women throwing papers out the driver side window driving a late-model blue Toyota Tacoma pick up truck, were Christopher Dorner, a 6’ 2” black 33-year old male on a rampage-killing spree in a charcoal colored Nissan Titan pick up truck.

As Margie Carranza drove her Toyota Tacoma down Redbeam she and her mother Emma Hernandez threw papers to the designated addresses.  Not only were the headlights on and the hazard flashers blinking  but since the women deliver five different papers from a route list, the lights in cab were on as well.

The LA Times reports that a total of seven different officers fired on the women’s truck in Torrance. Police seem more concerned about killing a threat to them instead of protecting the public.

An unidentified witness to the shooting looked out his window and saw a half-dozen cops shooting wildly in all directions, yelling extreme profanity at the women and pointing weapons at anyone driving by or near, like “little boys with big guns, lots of vengeance and no brains. Makes me root for the bad guys, and not those crazy cops.”

Unfortunately this wasn’t the first time the Police went ballistic and started shooting at innocent people. In what has become a reoccurring theme, LAPD Police Officers Are Shooting Unarmed People, Everywhere since 2010.

December 20, 2013, just two days ago, the Police shot and killed an unarmed man following a pursuit of his Corvette through Los Angeles.

October 10, 2013, Los Angeles Sheriff’s deputies kicked and fatally shot a homeless man for, they claim, was waving a stick.

“Deputies with the Transit Services Bureau came into contact with the man when he suddenly armed himself with a wooden stick. He then advanced toward the deputies with the wooden stick overhead, prompting them to open fire. Officials said the man, who has not been identified, was taken to a hospital, where he died.”

April 11 2013, LAPD kills 19-year old Abdul Arian after he led police on a high-speed chase after he refused to pull over for a traffic stop. According to the Police they felt their lives were in danger because of the gestures made after he got out of the car. At the end of the chase, Arian jumped out of the car and started to run, but also turning towards officers in what they describe was a “menacing” motion where he appeared to have a weapon. He did not.

April 8th, 2013, Ernesto Duenez, unarmed,  was shot 11 Times by Police.  The video from one of the patrol car cameras shows Duenez parking his pickup truck and officer James Moody approaching him with a drawn gun. He suspected that Duenez had a knife and shouted at him to drop it and put his hands up. As Duenez was exiting the vehicle over the passenger seat, he tripped and turned around which provoked the officer to fire 13 shots in just 4.2 seconds. Duenez was shot once in the head, eight times in the body and two times in the extremities and died from wounds to his chest and abdomen.

March 24, 2012, Kendrec McDade,  unarmed, was killed by Police because they were told that he had a gun by a 911 caller reporting a robbery and he according to the Police was reaching into his waistband. The caller later admitted that he lied about the gun. The officers who shot McDade however, have not been held responsible. Local civil rights activists have also noted that Pasadena police are going against California law that says officers who shoot and kill citizens must be identified to the public. Neither officers’ identity has been revealed. 

February 24, 2013, Moises De La Torre, unarmed, fatally shot By LAPD. According to police reports officers from the LAPD’s North Hollywood Division responded to a call of a man with a gun in the area of Vineland Avenue and Archwood Street. A female 9-1-1 caller reported she had been approached by a man who threatened to kill her and then reached into a bag he was carrying. She said she believed it was to retrieve a gun. When they arrived, officers found De La Torre standing in lanes of traffic, according to a statement issued by the department afterward. Police instructed him to drop the bag, but De La Torre failed to do so, and officers said he allegedly moved forward, threatening to kill them. He reached into the bag and officers opened fire.

February 8, 2013, two women in Torrance were delivering newspapers when they were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for Christopher Dorner. There was no warning, no orders given, no commands issued, the police officers just opened fire on their vehicle.

“Officers are discharging their weapons  because they are being attacked,” Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck

In 2011, as the number of police shootings soared, Police Chief Charlie Beck repeatedly gave his bosses and the public an explanation: Officers were discharging their weapons more because they were coming under attack more. He attempted to bolster his assertion with LAPD statistics that showed an increase in the number of assaults on officers. Alex Bustamante, the inspector general for the Los Angeles Police Commission, which oversees the LAPD disputes the statistics and Beck’s assertion of a link between the jump in officer-involved shootings and assaults on officers in a report by the Police Commission inspector general. Watchdog disputes LAPD rationale for rise in police shootings

The independent LAPD watchdog concludes there was no link between the dramatic rise in officer-involved shootings and assaults on officers.

When asked to support Beck’s assertion that “Officer involved shootings are up — largely in response to being attacked,” the only incidents that were mentioned were that in April one officer was shot in the jaw and in October, two officers came under fire and were hit by small pellets resembling bird shot when they came upon a shooting.

Through a spokesperson Beck issued to The Times a written response to the inspector general’s report. He stood by the idea that “there is a relationship between some types of attacks on police officers and officer involved shootings.” And he said people accused of assaulting LAPD officers last year were armed with guns and knives — as opposed to less threatening weapons — at a higher rate than in previous years, which Beck said helped explain why more shootings occurred.

Under California law, however, someone can be arrested [not killed] for assault with a deadly weapon whether or not they injure another person. For example, someone who brandishes a knife while being confronted by police but does not stab anyone, is likely to be accused of assaults on an officer.

A report in July of 2012 did not offer any possible explanations for the increase in officer involved shootings but disputes that LAPD officers are under attack.

What if you wanted to convince the public “the Police have reason to shoot people because they are being threatened by criminals with assault weapons?

John Miller CBS News senior correspondent and former head of the LAPD Major Crimes Division might agree that the Dorner escapade would convince everyone the Police were threatened.

“remarkable amount of pre-staging” and added that “somebody who put that much pre-staging planning into a series of events … it’s doubtful that they didn’t put the same amount of planning into the end game … It makes you wonder what his plan is for the end game.” Bratton said he found it “very surprising that now with all this attention Dorner has brought onto himself, he has not started to reach out to the media to exploit it … it’s very interesting that he has stayed quiet.”

Jesus [Christ], Dorner and Bin Laden: Patsy, Terrorist, or Savior, satire by Robert Singer.

Robert Singer writes about Secrets, Sentient Creatures and The Federal Reserve at The Peoples Voice and The Market Oracle (rds2301@gmail.com)

Footnotes:

[1] “After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner’s wallet andidentification cards ‘at the San Ysidro Point of Entry’ near the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the court records. That same day, a guard at the Point Loma Naval Base told authorities he had spotted a man matching Dorner’s description trying to sneak onto the base, according to the filing.”

I apologize but I need to remind the reader that on February 13, 2013 a wallet with a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner was allegedly found in the rubble of the burnt-out Big Bear cabin,

“A wallet with a California driver’s license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe.”

[2] Randal Quan Controversy. Quan, who the LAPD said was the first Chinese-American captain in department history, retired from the police department in 2002. In October of that year, Quan was hired as police chief at Cal Poly Pomona. Six months later he was fired.  Quan filed a lawsuit against the school for wrongful termination on Jan. 15, 2004.

“Quan, the former Cal Poly Pomona campus police chief who was non-retained, filed this action complaining that he was terminated because he objected to hiring an African-American female,” according to minutes from a Trustees of the California State University meeting.

The lawsuit was settled for $32,000, said Dan Lee, spokesman for Cal Poly, and the case was dismissed on June 20, 2005. Lee said he could not speak in detail about Quan’s time at the university.

In 2002, was named chief of police at Cal Poly Pomona. He was fired after about six months, and then sued for  in 2004.

[3] [From What Really Happened to Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence? Was an Innocent Man Barbecued at Big Bear? By Ruth Hull]

According to the official story, at 9:10 P.M on February 3, 2013 a couple, walking through the upper floor (roof level) of the parking garage at 2100 Scholarship, Irvine CA, spotted a man and woman [Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence] slumped over inside a car that reportedly belonged to Keith Lawrence.

Here is what the public is expected to believe, in a million dollar neighborhood, in a racist area of the country, a large black man breaks into a secured garage and is allowed by a police officer (who theoretically knows he’s hostile) to walk up to the officer’s car under a bright light and shoot the officer and his girlfriend (also from a police background) without witnesses, then departs. All the while Dorner, was apparently in and out of the garage in front of a video camera. The police (who want us to believe this) have failed to release the video footage of Chris Dorner.

When you add this improbable scenario, with an unlikely ending at Big Bear (see Chris Dorner: Crazed Killer, Innocent Hero or Neither?), this begins to look less and less like real life and more and more like a poorly written movie plot. [End of From What Really Happened to Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence? Was an Innocent Man Barbecued at Big Bear? By Ruth Hull]

[3]From Police confuse truck for Christopher Dorner’s, shoot at 3 people in Torrance in case of mistaken identity, By Larry Altman, Staff Writer Posted: 02/06/13, 9:00 PM PST

A team of Los Angeles police officers protecting the home of a high-ranking officer in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue believed a pickup truck that stopped in front of the house matched Dorner’s blue Nissan Titan. Police opened fire, wounding two women tossing copies of the Los Angeles Times onto porches.

“Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers,” LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said. Beck said the newspaper carriers were driving “in the area of one of our primary protection details, one of the people that was under the most serious level of threat.” And its lights were turned out, Beck said. Beck never officially retracted his “lights turned out statement.”
Resident Mark Yamasaki said he had noticed LAPD squad cars driving around the neighborhood the day before. So when the shots woke him up early Thursday morning, he figured they had something to do with it.

Another issue with the police stakeout at Deelane and Redbeam.

The women, who were delivering the Los Angeles Times in a quiet suburban neighborhood, had unknowingly driven down a street that included the heavily-guarded home of an LAPD captain named by Dorner in an online manifesto airing his grievances against law enforcement. Days later, as a unit of LAPD officers stood watch over the captain’s house in Torrance, an alert went out saying a truck matching Dorner’s was in the area.

The location only works if they know Dorner will be driving up Redbeam from Del Amo.  An alternate route to Eisenberg’s house simply requires he simply turn left on Norton and right on Mildred, right on Tower and right on Redbeam. The police at Deelane wouldn’t know what was going on until it was too late.
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Robert Singer is an independent writer and researcher based in Los Angeles.

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READ MORE ON CHRIS DORNER AT: 21st Century Wire Dorner File

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  • tfernsle

    Hey thanks for doing this. It’s a lot to pick through and describe.

  • R Mills

    no need for further investigations we already know how he was treated as a black male . he finally had enough. When Black men kill that way its only because they been pushed to their human limit. Never understood why Europeans kill and bully the only culture of people that have given their total all to protect the safety of European America. The Blacks here in America have always protected, fought, and honored America, Blacks gave their all to protect from harm this country.. this is the thanks they get. Im convinced that the people who choose to continue to abuse blacks will suffer one of the most horrible fates of Gods anger ever. They must make direct amends to Black Americans or God will do it for you. you don’t want God to step in an handle what he told you to fix.

    • bobfairlane

      Don’t forget to use Spell Check when you write your manifesto.

      • ♫♪FukAratchett♪♫

        Hahaha

    • Defiant

      LOL! At first I thought you were being a sarcastic parody of a whiny Liberal. Then I realized you really ARE a whiny Liberal. I’m sick of the racism card. Here’s the OFFICIAL NOTICE for you that such an ASININE excuse is NOT VALID for violent black-on-[INSERT ANY RACE]-crime. You are irrelevant to this conversation.

      • Will

        Go suckle at the teat of your CIA police state overlords, you Ronald “sell guns to Iranian terrorists but take them away from blacks” Reaganite Zionist shill.

    • hp b

      When it comes to the police and Feds, we’re all blacks now.

    • Courtney Price

      I love it….so true!!!

    • Larry Harrell

      you are just another idiot trying to play the race card. me or anyone else owes a black man a damn thing more than he does a white man!!! they haven’t contributed a bit more than any one else in this country so get your head out of your dumb ass and stfu!!!

      • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

        you’re wrong about that . while whites passed on the ‘wealth’ they accumulated off the backs of slaves, the slaves passed on, after working tirelessly throughout their lives, nothing to their descendants, because all had been taken from them

  • Charlie Primero

    Really large photo of the burned-out Big Bear cabin. Right-click, open in new tab…

    http://amarillo.com/sites/default/files/LAPD%20Revenge%20Killings_Treo%20%283%29_0.jpg

    • Lara Fabans

      There is zero possibility of a driver’s license surviving that inferno. Sigh, it’s sad that “They” think we’re really that stupid, and worse that some are.

  • musimann

    He was tried by the media and executed by the LAPD. America is turning into an Orwellian nightmare with most Americans too brain dead to even realize it..

    • Paul Bodnick

      He was a crazed murderer

      • ImajWalker

        TROLL Alert!!

  • Bob Chimps

    You lose quite a bit of cred when you state Irvine, CA to be ” in a racist area of the country”. Irvine is one of the most racially diverse cities in the state.

    Get a clue

    • Defiant

      the most racially diverse areas are sometimes the MOST racist because folks of different races are forced to live on top of each other. Diversity does NOT necessarily equal harmony. Use your thinker now and then to knock the rust off, “professor.” And my comment doesn’t necessarily refer to racial prejudice against blacks.

      • Bob Chimps

        lol – you obviously know NOTHING about Irvine. No one is ‘forced’ to live there and in fact, many cannot afford to.

        any more clueless comments to make genius? you’re as ignorant as the author

        • Lara Fabans

          Yeah, you need a lobotomy to live there (I’m kidding, I’m kidding, but goodness it certainly feels like it’s Stepford there with all the planned everything)

          • Bob Chimps

            agree 100% on that …

        • Larry Harrell

          you are a bigger idiot than I thought after I read your first post!! the second one just made it official!!!!

        • Larry Harrell

          another thing is you obviously don’t know a thing about diversity . yes no one is forced in most places but they are strongly influenced in this country to be racially diverse.so quit playing stupid or just stfu because you have no clue as to what you are trying to act educated on!!!

      • Larry Harrell

        couldn’t have said it any better myself!!!!

  • Uncle_Meat

    Can’t give a dead man a trial. The LAPD knew if they wiped him out the case would be closed. LAPD is nothing but a gang of cheap punk ass thugs with badges.

  • Ken Wagner

    Like Sandy Hook, and the Boston “bombing” This has the, now familiar, stench of a HOAX.

  • Defiant

    ‘There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the definition of the term “terrorism.”’
    We ALL know what terrorism is…we don’t need a legal consensus. I’m not positive this dude was the culprit…but if the investigation proves he was…good enough for me. EVERY nutcase in America isn’t a conspiracy case. Sometimes folks just flip their wigs. The background info on this guy is enough to prove he PROBABLY did it. I guess we’ll see what unfolds…

    • J Derek Mitchell

      Maybe IF there was even a follow on investigation. He’s been neutralized. End of investigation. The LAPD has to deal with a heck of a lot more Gangs than most of the rest of the Country but you don’t hear about them “Mobilizing” the way they did for one of their own. They didn’t even go this far after the Riots in ’92.

    • Ricky

      Did you even read the article? He didn’t get a real investigation or a trial. Moron.

    • Ricky

      Oh and of course we need a legal consensus regarding the definition of the term terrorist. Its pretty important that everyone agrees on what a terrorist is if we are labeling people as terrorists then hunting them like animals, burning down buildings, shooting civilians with out warning etc.etc. because we have a “terrorist” at large.

  • Billy the worm

    “A racist area of the country” No it is not…this piece is a piece alright

  • hp b

    By now Americans must surely realize they have far more in common with Mr. Dorner than they do with the ‘authorities.’

  • dick tracey

    This was a satanic ritual murder ,anyone ever heard of a burnt offering.It was a human sacrifice burnt offering holocaust in satanic circles.The same thing happened on 9/11 only on a larger scale.They sent bush into the school to perform a seyonce with the kids just as the black magic murder was happening.The 2 towers then came together and created the 1 one tower.That tower is 1776 ft tall but if you add the height of the rest of the towers that are being constructed it adds up to 6660 ft.Also, the original towers were built in 80 months,if you convert that to years it’s 6.66 yrs.The same thing just happened to Paul Walker in a 911 porsche Carrera at 3;30 in the afternoon on a black moon of death.

  • Eileen Kuch

    With regard to the two women in the blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck delivering newspapers, the LAPD officers on the street they had entered committed the “crime” of not issuing any warnings or commands, and just firing their weapons.

    This shows the worst disregard for innocent lives by any police force. These officers disobeyed department rules that obligate them to identify themselves as police officers and give ample warning before opening fire. If the interior lights of the Toyota pickup were, indeed, on, that ups the ante to criminal dereliction of duty.

    Police have been trained for decades in cases of this type to always issue a warning to anybody in a vehicle, and to fire their weapons as a last resort. The street was not in total darkness; so, these officers had ample time to see these women’s profiles enough to rule out a large black male. The fact that there were two people in this vehicle already ruled out the lone large black male; so, there was no justification for their action.

    • Eileen Kuch

      Here are two top questions. First, have these officers been vetted for any psychological issues; and, second, are their eyesights within the criteria of 20/20 with corrective lenses as the minimum?

      There are many military veterans with serious psychological traumas – PTSD being the most common. These men would be deemed too unstable for any police force, and certainly for one as large as the LAPD. Much of the areas within their jurisdiction are quite dangerous, occupied by some of the most violent gangs in the nation; thus, all police officers – especially those deployed in such violent areas – must have nerves of steel and be free of any psychological issues that would impair their decision-making abilities.

      • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

        not to mention steroid use …

        • Eileen Kuch

          Thanks. I forgot to mention that tidbit.

    • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

      attempted murder

  • Courtney Price

    I hate the fact I was born in this country. Dorner was a Hero in my book, died a Hero. Fuck the LAPD.

  • Ivan Sanchez

    Just like the hijackers’ passport surviving the jet impact, explosion and fire and being found on the sidewalk among millions of other pieces of paper.

  • Will

    RIP, Christopher Dorner. A Real American Hero. A Real Human Being.

  • Marvel Lawson

    Gre at article, lots of info here with what im sure is tons of research.

  • Victor Manuel Carab

    Yeah just like in the world trade center. How did a passport appeared on the streets of one of the so called terroist

  • http://www.youtube.com/miamigarner miamigarner

    Sounds like one of Holder and Obama’s scheme’s

  • Doc Mansion

    who turned beautiful US into a fucked up country?

  • celphelp

    Wow I am so used to getting a video and a pic and a 2 paragraph story, so this took me by surprise.

  • Skyy Royal

    . . . . not even surprised , period

  • Kleman

    As good as this report is (it’s excellent), it suffers many of the same problems as ALL other alternative-media investigations.

    One of which is that those most likely to read this article have already figured and critiqued for themselves that this scenario, as described by ‘official authorities’ stinks, that is, in an “off-the-charts” kind of way.

    This independent investigation just further affirms that.

    Now, what might be the most logical way to address this obvious systemic corruption without fulfilling the many, and all-to-often-repeated myths about people “self-radicalizing” after exposure to alternative media?

  • ImajWalker

    Was listening to Pete Santilli interviewing the mother of the July 4 Patriot. Charles Dyer.. What a sad, sad state of affairs. The man was a true patriot.. was charged with sexually abusing his daughter (wasn’t reported until 5 days after it was alleged to have happened) . He appealed his case, was denied and given ’30 years.’
    Now what REALLY baffles me, is how the Rothchilds’ and their clan kidnap children, sexually abuse them, use them in their satanic rituals and kill them.. and look…. no one is ‘ever’ held accountable. Thousands of kids go missing and are used for this and also for ‘experiments.. and in the USA..it’s just another shopping day.
    Of course Chris Dorner was innocent. The man was ‘telling’ everyone about the corruption and it couldn’t possibly get out.. Same as the kids in the Boston Bombing and James Holmes, who is drugged on the stand (now there’s a fair trial (not)… and lest we forget Adam Lanza.. who when researched, Peter, the father, doesn’t even have a son named Adam.
    They do this, the elite… get away with it, because they know Americans aren’t going to do ‘anything’ about it.
    So sad to watch.. so very sad.