Loretta Fuddy: The Most Unlucky Person of 2013 – or was she killed to cover a big lie?

21st Century Wire says…

Are the White House plumbers at it again?

A Cessna crashes in Hawaii, and eight survive – but one woman, for some reason, could not be rescued. Her name was Loretta Fuddy, she was 65 years old, and she happened to be the Hawaiian health official who released the notorious copy of President Obama’s long form birth certificate.

A political storm erupted when a PDF birth certificate appeared on the White House’s website back in April 2011. Although ridiculed, and blacked out by the mainstream media, the issue has not gone away. This latest tragic accident’ will only increase interest in the story of Obama’s true roots, and what may have been done to cover up the truth.


Officials also say that the reason the plane went down was a “mystery”, but it landed on the water and passengers even had time to collect and put on life jackets. NBC also reports the following:

The flight was due to travel from Molokai to Oahu. The pilot was among the survivors, and the rest of the passengers were treated for “non-life threatening injuries”. Most survivors have already been sent home.

This tells us the crash was not fatal – because no one sustained any real injuries. But Fuddy still, disappears.

Strangely, initial news reports provide detail on every technical thing about this incident, yet say nothing of what actually happened to Fuddy. Do authorities need time to sure-up their story?

The US Coast Guard supposedly post this picture (below) of the “rescue” on Instagram, only it shows absolutely nothing at all. So why post it in the first place?


“A spokesman from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) told NBC News they were sending, “at least one investigator to the scene.”

It’s expected that the NTSB will not find anything unusual regarding the crash, or the death of Loretta Fuddy.

Already, conflicting reports about the plane crash are emerging:

More conflicting evidence: initial reports state that all 9 people survived: one swam to shore, 3 rescued by the helicopter and 5 by Fire rescue, later the story was changed. Passenger C. Phillip Holstein contradicted the reports of her body being the the fuselage, he stated that she was fine when she got out of the plane.

This report by the Maui police dept. on Thursday says the body was recovered from the wreckage and an autopsy will be done.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-plane-crash-20131213,0,279382.story#axzz2nNkAn7Gp

We’re also told that Fuddy (photo above) had previously said that she had something to release to the media. It looks like that won’t be happening now.

NBC NEWS EARLY REPORT:


Health director who approved Obama birth certificate dies in plane crash


Henry Austin and Christopher Nelson
NBC News


The health director who approved the release of President Obama’s birth certificate has died in a plane crash, Hawaiian officials said Thursday.

Loretta Fuddy died after the Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft she was travelling on went down shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport at around 3:15 p.m. local time (10:15 a.m. ET) on Wednesday. 

The other eight people on board were rescued, Richard Schuman, president of Makani Kai Air, told NBC News early Thursday, adding that there was no indication as to why the plane had crashed.

Fuddy hit the headlines two years ago when she approved a waiver request allowing Obama to access certified copies of his birth certificate, signed by the delivery doctor, Obama’s mother and the local registrar.  His mother, then 18, signed her name (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.

So-called “birthers” opposed to Obama including real estate mogul Donald Trump had long questioned why Obama hadn’t ensured the long form was released.

Hawaiian senator J. Kalani English led the tributes to the 65-year-old saying she, “will be dearly missed,” by people on the islands.

“I would like to extend my most heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of the Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who tragically passed away in a plane crash late Wednesday afternoon,” he said…

Continue this story at NBC News

More from 21WIRE

For those who took the time to actually examine the Birth Certificate in question, it is widely accepted as a digital forgery.

Beyond this, it’s fairly obvious, even to a novice researcher, how a story has been woven to place Barack Obama in Hawaii at the time of his birth, as well as establish that Barack Sr from Kenya was indeed his father. Without this story in place, he would not qualify as President.



One NBC reader, Spider-4268760, points out some of the obvious problems with the President’s  alleged Birth Certificate.

4 Simple questions from a reputable attorney…

This really should get your “gray matter” to churning, even if you are an Obama fan. I wouldn’t want my hero to be made out to be a liar, would you?

For all you “anti-Fox News” folks, none of this information came from Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.

4 Simple Questions:

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called ‘Negroes.’ So how can the Obama ‘birth certificate’ state he is “African-American” when the termwasn’t even used at that time ?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right ? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that hisfather is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya , East Africa “.

This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s fatherhave been born in a country that did not yet Exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. (check it below) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya

3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”.This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “Kaui Keolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, Respectively.The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978 ?(CHECK IT BELOW) http://http/http/www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

Why hasn’t this been discussed in the major media ?

4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936-if my mathholds (Honest! I did That without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9 years old.Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?

Very truly yours,

RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB
Attorney at Law
354 Eisenhower Parkway
Livingston , NJ 07039

Add to this another fact: Obama’s grandmother came out on national TV, stating that her grandson was not born in Hawaii, but in Africa, and she was dead by a stroke days later. 

See how the White House PDF birth certificate for Barack Obama is a digital forgery:



From Citizen Wells May 15, 2013:

“CORRESPONDENCE FROM PERKINS COIE/OBAMA WITH THE STATE OF HAWAII.

Perkins Coie represented the Obama Campaign in 2008 and going forward and Robert F. Bauer represented Obama in keeping his birth certificate, college records and other records hidden beginning with the Philip J. Berg lawsuit in 2008. Bauer was appointed White House General Counsel by Obama.

Judith L. Corley of Perkins Coie (law firm) assisted Obama in procuring the document placed on WhiteHouse.gov. Once again we are presented with a confusing scenario smelling of Orwellian spin. Ms. Corley writes on behalf of Obama requesting two certified copies of his certificate of live birth and that she is authorized to do so. Once again, per Hawaii law, and irrespective of any departmental policy, Obama is entitled to personally request a certified copy of an original birth certificate if he has one.

Loretta J. Fuddy, Director of Health, states that she is making an exception to departmental policy to accommodate Obama. Is that due to the third party, Ms. Corley acting as a go between? Ms. Fuddy then confirms that the copies will be computer generated.

We learned today that Judith L. Corley stated “I will be coming to your offices to pick up the copies of the certificates.””

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/arpaio-cold-case-posse-affidavit-obama-whitehouse-gov-alleged-birth-certificate-alabama-supreme-court-obama-eligibility-challenge-mike-zullo-prepared-and-signed/

It is no coincidence that Loretta Fuddy was the only non-survivor of this non-fatal Cessna crash.


READ MORE OF OBAMA’S SCANDALS AT: 21st Century Wire Obama Files


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  • beadstallcup

    If you imagine that politicians, like kings, queens, presidents, senators, etc., don’t have hitmen, assassins, arsonists, etc. that they can “call upon” from time to time you are being incredibly simpleminded. You watch way too much TV. The Clintons, for example, are suspected of killing at least 16 people in their greedy grab for power and plunder… Don’t be naive about “high level” politicians. Believe very little of what your hear, and next to nothing you see on your bigscreen DopeTube (TV) regarding almost all federal level, and many state-leve politicians and bureaucrats, past and present… They do get away with murder on a fairly routine basis. Politicians at the top of the heirarchy have their loot and their “public image” to protect from people who would expose them for the frauds, cheats and liars most of them are.

    • Steve Sampson

      You’re a white trash moron just like the 40 people who upvoted you.

      • KimWilde

        Late to be adding to this but go back to your hockey stick dick

        • Steve Sampson

          Has to be about the worst attempt at an insult I have ever seen. Kudos, loser!

          • Larry

            YO SAMPSON,

            GO WANK YOURSELF TO DEATH!

          • Steve Sampson

            in your mouth?

    • Cory

      It’s called the “Illuminati” my friend or the secret underground mystical society of Satanic enlightenment. In America they’ve been killing good people since May 1st, 1776 of its establishment, maybe even further dating back 8,000 of Babylon in the world; but I know it’s 5,000 years in ancient Egypt where they are comprised of groups interrelated to druid celtics (Ireland), Egyptians (Pharaohs), Samaritans (chief priests) and even Babylonians, all dedicated to the worship of Lucifer and the devil, Satan and the dark angel excelled from Jesus’s kingdom of heaven.

      • Larry

        FIRST OFF – THERE IS NO SATAN!

        JEREMIAH 17:9-10 & JAMES 1:12-20 CLEARLY STATE THAT ITS THE HEART & MIND OF MAN WHERE EVIL COMES FROM!

        SO STOP THE BS ABOUT THIS “HARRY POTTER CHARACTER”.

        WE CREATE OUR OWN EVIL!

        WE DON’T NEED ANY MYTHICAL CHARACTER TO TEMPT US!

  • smrstrauss

    Re: “We’re also told that Fuddy (photo above) had previously said that she
    had something to release to the media. It looks like that won’t be
    happening now.”

    Who, pray tell, told you?

    For Fuddy to have been assassinated, the killer would actually have had to been on the plane—and have gotten on it despite knowing that it would crash—and then he would have had to have held Fuddy’s head underwater or broken her neck—and the other six passengers never noticed.

    Oh, and Fuddy’s predecessor, Fukino, the head of the DOH under the last Republican governor—confirmed Obama’s birth certificate TWICE—-and she is still alive.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: 1. “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how
      can the Obama “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when
      the term wasn’t even used at that time?”

      ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.

      The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word
      you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one
      stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii
      of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use
      any word you wanted.

      And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.

      Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after
      Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s
      father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until
      Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa
      Protectorate”.”

      Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being
      called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it
      was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY.

      In short, it was called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”),
      and it was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.

      Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the
      listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological
      Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961
      were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity
      Home”, respectively. ”

      Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.

      How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for
      the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and
      what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer:
      Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

      Re: “4. Why hasn’t this been discussed in the major media?

      Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II..”

      Answer. Why not try reading the book instead of reading allegations
      about what is in the book on birther sites? The answer is very simple.
      Obama’s book does not say that his father served in WWII. It says that
      his GRANDfather served in WWII.

      (And, in fact, Obama’s American grandfather did actually serve in WWII, in Europe, under General George Patton.)

      • smrstrauss

        So far, no answer to “”We’re also told that Fuddy (photo above) had previously said that she had something to release to the media. It looks like that won’t be happening now.” and the question in response to it “Who, pray tell, told you that?”

      • J A

        You government trolls really go out of your way to distort the facts and keep the truth hidden under your disgusting lies. Get real!

        • smrstrauss

          Rational people will notice that JA has not responded to the facts.

          • GMan

            Rational people will also notice that Obama did say that his father served in WWII in a 2008 campaign speech. Youtube it.

          • smrstrauss

            There have been many forged videos, but Obama said that his GRANDfather fought in WWII, not his father. His GRANDfather really did fight in WWII (under General Patton), while his father didn’t. But he did not say that his father fought in WWII; he said that his GRANDfather did. Why do you believe a birther site where somebody claims not to have heard the “Grand,” or has the motive to cut the “Grand” out of the video? Oh, and Obama said that his GRANDfather fought in WWII in his book. His GRANDfather, not his father.

      • lucio

        You are correct in refuting the four simple questions. However, the birth certificate released by the White House is still a forgery.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “However, the birth certificate released by the White House is still a forgery.”

          Answer. No it isn’t. Birther experts just claim that it is.

          Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

          One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

          Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

          And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

          Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

          Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

          Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

          Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

          Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

          And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

          Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

    • J A

      Hogwash.

  • ruben_bush

    the republican’s have nothing intelligent to debate with that is why they invent stories like this. all of them think like george w. bush and sarah palin..no wonder the Republican’s are the laughing stock of the world.

    • Bryant

      Dream on.

    • J A

      The fact you still refer to them as democrats and republicans just shows your ignorance. It is apparent you are very much a brainwashed sheep, or a government troll. Anyone who is awake knows they are all one and the same.

    • william mony

      Keep believing that hope and change chant
      If your beloved leader has nothing to hide, why worry?
      He constantly does lie, and abuses his power worse than Bush, these are facts. Maybe if he actually told the truth occasionally he would not be questioned
      Even the conservative documentary on Obama said he believes he was born here , the one by Souza
      I think it shows a man that maybe is embarrassed by his family.

      • smrstrauss

        Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate (short form and long form) and the confirmation by the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii all show. Presidents often lie, but the fact that he was born in Hawaii is not merely his statement, it is a fact shown by what I have listed—and there are links to the confirmation of these facts below.

        • lovinmygucci

          None so blind that will not see, and none to dumb they will not hear!! :-(

          • smrstrauss

            You are referring to yourself and other birthers. Here are the facts for you to see (and hear too, if you read outloud):

            Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

            Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed. And the official involved was Fuddy’s predecessor, Fukino (a Republican appointee, who is still ALIVE.)

          • smrstrauss

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

            Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:

            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

    • nofearorfavor

      Republicans only run a close second to the overall Laughing Stock Liar of the World Winner — Barack Hussein Obama aka as Barry Soetoro aka as….

  • J A

    Excellent research. By now, with all the mounting evidence, only the brainwashed sheep would remain in denial of this information. Not only does this prove that Obama should not be president, but more importantly, it goes to show that the powers that be went through extreme lengths (not only to forge the birth certificate, but also to wipe out and execute anyone who might have information to expose him and his administration) to put him in place as president. Everything he has done in his time as POTUS proves he is infiltrating and means to destroy the US and further complicate and strain relations with the nations of the world. Who else will die as a result made from an effort to keep the public in the dark and ignorant about the truth? Only time shall tell….

    • smrstrauss

      Saying that there is “mounting evidence” does not show that there was any evidence at all. And the claims that Obama’s birth certificate is forged come only from birther “experts.”

      The evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii is:

      (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

      (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

      (3) the public Index Data file;

      (4) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

      (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

      (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now—twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

      (7) no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961;

      (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

      (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either—I wonder why not???);

      (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

      (11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama’s grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their “document experts” are lying too—and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre research (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).

  • Teresa Geib Bacon

    Either the majority of the Sheeple never learned the connect the dots game, or they cant find their way out of their box to even consider crimes committed on this subject before elections or after. I think the Grays are running this country by the Aliens who voted them in. Both parties

    • smrstrauss

      IF you are convinced that Obama was born in a foreign country, and think that there are facts to show it, then you could answer this question:

      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

      If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

      So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

      (OH, and BTW, there isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther hope that GULLIBLE people will assume that Obama’s mother was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii who have repeatedly stated that they sent it to him and that all the facts on it are correct (and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii) are all lying.)

      Perhaps there are a few gullible people who will believe them, but very few.

      • Teresa Geib Bacon

        well you have all the answers but you didn’t say where he got his SS number.

        • smrstrauss

          He got his Connecticut SS number because of a data entry error by an SS Administration clerk. Who told you that SS Administration clerks never made mistakes? What gave you the idea that a data entry error in entering the zip code would not result in a SS number generated from a place other than where the application was made???

          Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

          http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have

          http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

          • Teresa Geib Bacon

            like I said you have all the answers so no sense going out of the bx, so ponder on this awhile. Problem is some people if they were presented w proof of accusation, it would not matter. I have read and read documents hoping to see at least a definitive answer and all I get is more questions.

            The Obama SSN controversy

            The initial and primary controversy over Barack Hussein Obama’s social security number involves the first three numbers relative to the geographical area of issuance, although is not confined to that fact alone. We’ll address this issue first, however.

            The first three numbers of Obama’s alleged social number, or the number we know he is using today and has been using for some time, begins with 042, which denotes that this number was issued to an individual who had some level of attachment to the state of Connecticut at the time his SSN application was issued. Based on additional dissection of his SSN, it can be determined that this number was issued between 1977 and 1979.

            It is imperative to note, however, that the Social Security Administration (SSA) has made slight administrative changes to the way they issued SSNs over the years, so we must be very careful when talking or writing in “absolutes” or “absolutely” associating a SSN with an individual without further identifying information of that person. Despite such changes, we are aware of other factors about Obama that would permit us to state, with an extremely high degree of certainty, that both the geographical area and the time span of issuance are correct.

            These inconvenient facts present a very curious problem for Barack Hussein Obama. At the time that his social security number was issued, Obama was a teen, living in the state of Hawaii and had no connection whatsoever to the geographical area associated with his alleged SSN. Furthermore, the SSN application process at that time was different than today, making it all but impossible for a teen in Hawaii to obtain a social security number from Connecticut.

            How, then, did Barack Hussein Obama come to be assigned his “current” social security number? What SSN did Obama use while working as a teen in the state of Hawaii? Considering all of the other contradictory identifying information pertaining to Obama, his unwillingness to disclose other vital records, questions pertaining to his passport, etc., this is an extremely serious issue that must be thoroughly addressed and answered.

            Evolving truths

            It is with great interest that I note that several “fact-checking” websites have made certain and almost non-perceptible changes in their definitions and explanations that appear to coincide with the Obama-SSN problem, to such an extent that someone without proper experience could easily accept the Obama-SSN controversy as myth, urban legend, or attempt to explain the Obama SSN in some other manner. One glaring example of misinformation, or perhaps outright disinformation, is an explanation of Obama’s problem by Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly. During The O’Reilly Factor on April 13, 2011, he was factually incorrect on a number of levels when he attempted to explain the Connecticut issuance to his audience in response to an e-mail he received.

            Like the entirety of the Obama Constitutional eligibility issue, there has been so much misinformation and disinformation that people don’t know who or what to believe. To further complicate matters, certain self-proclaimed fact-checking websites and even some news sites have actively edited or even expunged their records regarding this issue over the last few years, thus creating more confusion for an inquiring public. As investigators know, guilty persons and accomplices embrace and perpetuate confusion to hide the truth behind such matters.

            What it all means

            As a professional investigator since 1985, I have performed countless background investigations of individuals being considered for board positions at Fortune 500 companies. Like investigator Susan Daniels, I, too, have access to multiple proprietary databases and performed the same searches as she has, beginning in late 2008. I agree with Ms. Daniels in nearly all of her conclusions, and commend her for filing suit in the state of Ohio. While we might not arrive at all of the same deductions based on the information known, such differences are minor and inconsequential to the bigger picture. We both agree, however, on the most important conclusion of all: it is extremely unlikely that the social security number used by Barack Hussein Obama was legitimately issued.

            If I were to file a background report of investigation with a Fortune 500 or Fortune 100 client with the information developed about Barack Hussein Obama, I could only reach one conclusion with the highest degree of certainty: the man known as Barack Hussein Obama II would FAIL in all aspects relating to his true identity.

            For a Fortune 100 company, that is problematic. For America, that is terrifying.

            Copyright © Douglas J. Hagmann and Canada Free Press

            Douglas J. Hagmann and his son, Joe Hagmann host The Hagmann & Hagmann Report, a live Internet radio program broadcast each weeknight from 8:00-10:00 p.m. ET.

            Douglas Hagmann, founder & director of the Northeast Intelligence Network, and a multi-state licensed private investigative agency. Doug began using his investigative skills and training to fight terrorism and increase public awareness through his website.Doug can be reached at: director@homelandsecurityus.com

            Older articles by Doug Hagmann

          • smrstrauss

            You are dancing around the FACT that Obama’s CT SS number was generated by simply entering the zip code wrong. Obama’s address in Honolulu, Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice that all the digits in the two zip codes are exactly the same except for the first digit which is a 0 instead of a 9. Hitting 0 instead of 9 makes the result a CT number and not a HA number.

            That explains the CT SS number. As for your claims that Obama did not show other information. In fact, he showed his Hawaii birth certificate twice—the short form and the long form—and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him and that all the facts on the copies that Obama has put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

          • Teresa Geib Bacon

            like I said, I went all over the place for information and found more coverups than not. I told you I was hoping for something different although I do not like the Pres and his policies nor do I like the Republicans either. Having said that, you have the answers so I hope you are right because you want to believe what you are told from the sources you get, which are one sided as well. Have a good day

          • smrstrauss

            I do not post for your benefit but for a rational person who is seeking the truth. A rational person will recognize that I am not right “because I want to believe”–just as you are not right because of what you want to believe. I am right because (1) MILLIONS of errors exist in SS files, showing that SS clerks made lots of mistakes; (2) Obama’s address in Honolulu was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814—one digit different. That makes the data entry explanation far more likely than the “he stole the SS number” explanation. And birther sites never telling their readers that SS clerks made lots of mistakes (hence hoping to fool a few gullible people) shows the motive of birther sites in creating the “he stole the SS number” fantasy.

          • Teresa Geib Bacon

            I am not a birther whatever, I look for evidence out of curiosity and where it leads then I connect dots w other lies or coverups and that tells me one thing since I don’t like such is all. It could be anyone. Ok, so mistakes are made by SS, what about all the other mistakes? He did not steal anything, his life and his Presidency was set up, as were the Bushes, all about the NWO and where they want to take you and I. So, until this ends, we will still think what we do.

          • smrstrauss

            I have answered all of your questions. So why not try to answer mine?

            (1) Birthers have said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it?

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was not born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not do that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they did that? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”

            Those are my questions.

          • smrstrauss

            NO answer yet.

          • America Under Judgment

            How come he looks exactly like Malcolm X and does not look anything at all like Obama Senior.

            Why did he put this photoshopped picture of him and Stanley Ann out?

            http://revelation12.ca/?p=764

          • smrstrauss

            Malcolm X had red hair (well, reddish). And notice how thin Malcolm X’s lips were?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

      • smrstrauss

        No answer yet.

    • smrstrauss
  • Sammy

    You could have a written admission of O’s illegitimacy for POTUS in his own hand writing and NOTHING would change. The bulk of our government are frauds, thieves and charlatans appointed (not elected) by the same tyrants that foisted BHO on an ignorant population.

    • smrstrauss

      You would not get that “written admission of illegitimacy” because Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate (repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to those papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and by the teacher who wrote home).

      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      • smrstrauss

        Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

        http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

        (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

        Here is the Index Data file:

        http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

        • smrstrauss

          In addition to the former Republican governor’s confirmation already shown, here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which other officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

          • Sammy

            Yea OK. Like I said they are all on the same corrupt team. Have another glass of cool aid? You seem to be a government troll.

          • smrstrauss

            Rational people will notice that Sammy has not commented on the facts. It is he who has been drinking the Kool-Aid.

          • Sammy

            Ya got me Einstein. I can’t come up with anything to counter your bu11$h!t. Please F/O.

          • smrstrauss

            Rational people will notice that Sammy has admitted not being able to respond to the facts and asks that someone who has posted the facts ” Please F/O.” Sorry, Sammy, the links posted above show the overwhelming evidence that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

          • America Under Judgment

            Do your homework smrstrauss, the birth notice is a fraud, just as all things concerning Obama are.

            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/03/obamas-hawaii-birth-announcement-a-fraud-1876193.html

            PS read the Obama prophecies… revelation12.ca Be careful of who you align yourself with.

          • smrstrauss

            Do YOUR homework:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

            Moreover, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

          • LocalHero

            So what. Officials on both sides of the same crime syndicate agree on his birth certificate. That’s news if you’ve been living under a rock for the last, oh, 100 years.

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “So what. Officials on both sides of the same crime syndicate agree on his birth certificate..”

            I suppose that you could say “officials on both sides of the same crime syndicate agreed on Mitt Romney’s birth certificate.” (He showed only the short form and only a Web image of a photocopy of it.)

            But it is considerably more than merely Obama’s birth certificate and merely the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s). It is the birth certificate, plus the confirmations, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers back in 1961 (when there was a Republican governor of Hawaii) by the DOH of Hawaii—and it sent those notices in 1961 ONLY for births in Hawaii.

            And it is all that government confirmation plus the Hawaii teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to A WOMAN NAMED STANLEY.

            Plus we do not even know whether Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did. And EXTREMELY few women traveled overseas late in pregnancy in those days due to the high rate of stillbirth. IF there was evidence Obama’s mother had a passport, it might be worth speculating that she was one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad during late pregnancy and that all the officials are lying and the Index Data and the birth notices are forged. But there isn’t that evidence. IF travel abroad by women late in pregnancy was not so EXTREMELY low, it might be worth speculating that the officials are lying and the birth certificate, index data and birth notices are forged—but that is not the case.

            And birther sites lied and lied repeatedly when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (she said repeatedly that he was born IN HAWAII “where his father was studying at the time.” Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked “where was he born?” I wonder why they did that???) So why believe them?

            Oh, and birther sites did not tell you that Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed, twice, and that the officials in Kenya have said that they checked on the “born in Kenya” story, and that it is not true. So the criminal liars in the case of Obama’s place of birth are the birther sites, not the officials in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices, plus the confirmation of Kapiolani, plus the teacher who wrote home plus the Kenyan grandmother plus the officials in Kenya saying he was not born there.

          • vladdy1

            It is also interesting how some people always support those who are powerful, as if they needed protection. Odd.

          • ellen

            Whether a person is powerful or is weak does not make him born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged.

            To claim that it is okay to say that someone is born in a foreign country because you want to attack someone who is powerful is just a way of saying “it is perfectly okay to lie about someone so long as they are powerful.” Well, it’s not okay.

    • vladdy1

      It is interesting how the left has changed from ant-establishment to pro-establishment since the 1960s.

      • ellen

        NO problem. Like Obama, Mitt Romney was ALSO born in the USA and is also a Natural Born US Citizen.

        Also, like Obama, both Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio were born on US soil and hence, like Obama, are Natural Born US Citizens. It is not clear whether Senator Cruz, who was born in Canada but has one US citizen parent, is a Natural Born US Citizen. A whole lot of other people were born on US soil to one or two parents who were not US Citizens at the time, and although they are often poor and weak, they also are Natural Born US Citizens.

        • Brian Robinson

          You are incorrect. To be a natural born citizen both parents must be US citizens and the birth must be in the US. That is not to say that is what is followed today. Today as long as one parent is a US citizen regardless of where the birth takes place the child is considered a natural born citizen. The bullshit of being a natural born citizen if you’re born here regardless if neither parent is a US citizen is wrong. Not sure where that came from but I believe it has something to do with people misinterpreting a law concerning foreign diplomats.

          • smrstrauss

            It is YOU who are incorrect. The term Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, not from Vattel—who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers, while the common law is mentioned about twenty times, and always with praise. And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in the common law includes EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.

            “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

            “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

            “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

            “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

            And, in fact, that is what the US Supreme Court ruled too, in the Wong Kim Ark case ruling (six justices to two, one not voting):

            “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

            III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

            Notice that that says that the term comes from the common law (“by the law of england for 500 years) and that the same rule was practiced in the 13 colonies and in the early states AND UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

            So clearly the Hatch and Graham and the Heritage Foundation are right, and the two parent theory is wrong.

  • Alleged Comment

    Even this story could be done by the WICID method.

    Warfare-Information-Counter-Information-Deception.

    The loco paper says she was fine. Using the WICID method it says she was still in the wreck.

  • eggdescrambler
    • smrstrauss

      The hospital was in existence in 1961, and it was called “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”—the same name as on Obama’s birth certificate. We know this because the Nordyke Twins were born in the same hospital as Obama one day later, and the name of the hospital on their birth certificates on WND’s site is “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital.”

  • America Under Judgment

    The Obama prophecies are what you need to read next…. quite sobering to say the very least! http://revelation12.ca

  • Freespirit

    We all REAP what we SOW in life.

    Loretta paid the ULTIMATE PRICE for compromising with the PSYCHOPATHS who want to control us and this world we live on. She most certainly KNEW that the document she assisted in creating,was a FRAUD.

    When you compromise with Evil,EVIL ALWAYS wins

    • smrstrauss

      Loretta Fuddy was just one of MANY officials who confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, and the former Director of Health of Hawaii, a Republican appointee, who confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii TWICE). And, with the exception of Fuddy, they are all ALIVE. It is a simple fact that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, since not only did the many officials of both parties confirm it, but so does the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. (And birther sites have not even told their readers how very very few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961 or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. I wonder why they did not tell their readers those two little facts????)

      • Freespirit

        Could you provide links to your “facts”. I would be very interested.

        • smrstrauss

          DELIGHTED:

          Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

          Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

          http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

          Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed.

          • smrstrauss

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

            Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

          • smrstrauss

            Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:

            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

          • smrstrauss

            Here is the statement by the Kenyan Embassy that it had checked and that Obama was not born there:

            http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

            Here is an informal confirmation (which birther sites never showed their readers, so it may be important) by Kapiolani Hospital that Obama was born there:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/

          • Freespirit

            Thank you.Very enlightening EXCEPT for the comments which are meaningless and the Kenyan Government official statement.

            If you know anything about African Governments, you will understand my lack of confidence in what any African government official says. Money can buy any officials “word”

            I spend a lot of time in Africa, so I know of which I speak. Further my son and his mother live in Uganda

          • smrstrauss

            Do you believe the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) records for 1961?

            Unless, of course, it was forged (which isn’t very likely is it?), the report of the US Immigration and Naturalization Service for 1961 shows that only 21 people, repeat 21, came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—and that all but one of them came by SHIP (and that one was not a US citizen, BTW)—and there were no regularly scheduled ships running from Hawaii to Kenya or vice versa in 1961.

            So, the Kenyan government COULD be lying, but since the chances are infinitesimal of Obama’s mother having gone to Kenya (and she would have had to have traveled alone, since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) late in pregnancy at the risk of stillbirth, the chance of the Kenyan government having lied is remarkably low.

            What we have is that the chances of Obama’s mother having gone to Kenya are GIGANTICALLY low because of the risk of stillbirth and the INS figures AND that the Hawaii birth certificate (confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in 1961 sent to the papers by the DOH) saying that he was born in Hawaii. It is not at all likely that the government of Kenya was lying because it is not at all likely that Obama was born there.

            Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for fiscal 1961:

            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n0/mode/1up

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

            On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

            So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

            There were, as I said, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).

          • Freespirit

            Yes at face value the documents are pretty convincing,however I would like to make my caveat other than what I have already commented to you:

            The Establishment members, which includes the Rothschilds and the British Royal Family have the financial and connections ABILITY to influence, by that I mean, BRIBE or COERCE, virtually anyone on this planet to do WHATEVER they want them to do, and of course that includes LYING and FALSIFYING documents.

            This issue is VERY SENSITIVE and if true could bring down the U.S. Government, and a whole house of cards,so-to-speak, and for that reason it is not difficult to believe the parties involved in this would be willing to DO ANYTHING to prevent the truth from coming out.

            There is too much controversy in this matter for it to be a total fabrication. I have lived, so far, for 74 years and been quite involved in political action ( I was a founding member of the Libertarian Party in Canada) AND activism. I am no fool when it comes to understanding and “smelling” something rotten.

            YOU are TOO adamant in promoting a certain meme in this issue and so THAT alone arouses my suspicion. I repeat “my suspicion”, based only on your persistence .

            Life has taught me that everyone, including myself, has something to gain when they promote a cause or concept . Possibly yours is truth ,possibly not.

            What are you standing to gain???

            My gut instinct tells me you could be trolling.

            I have no facts proving that, just my 74 years of EXPERIENCE.

            I have been wrong many times but “When something seems too good to be true, it usually is” ( too good to be true)”

            I remain “open-minded” bending towards Skeptical and definitely ready to do “battle”, rationally , of course

          • smrstrauss

            The Rothschilds USED to be very rich. They aren’t even on the Forbes list anymore (and there is only one Rockefeller, and he isn’t in the top half). I can’t recall the British Royal Family—maybe it is, but I doubt it.

            Re Sensitive. IF you have any rational facts to back up the claim that Obama was born in Kenya (or for that matter ANY foreign country), then you could answer this question and not say that “parties would be willing to do anything to prevent the truth from coming out.” The truth IS out, and it is as clear as 1+1=2.

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Freespirit

            Not-with-standing the FACT you are wrong about The Rothschilds,I cannot argue that you have me on WHAT APPEARS to be legitimate documents, but because of my experience in life( with government especially) I remain “bending towards skepticism”.

            Mainly because I am still not convinced on why you are so ADAMANT and persistingly-so. It behooves me to understand your MOTIVE.

            Your “error” ( if it is an error and not deception) about the Rothschilds arouses my suspicions even more now. Forbes are a “bought and paid for” institution ( by the Rothschilds and other Zionists,(Christian and Jewish) and will state or NOT STATE what they are told to state ( or not)..remember what I stated in my last comment to you) .Forbes is ESTABLISHMENT, all the way.

            Let me enlighten you a bit to WHAT I KNOW :

            ALL of these Establishment individuals put their wealth in TRUSTS and thus their wealth and power is in EXERTING CONTROL over everything from the BIS, IMF World Bank and MOST Governments, many giant Multi-National Corporations to Radio/TV stations,. Hollywood, Print media etc, AND TRILLIONS of DOLLARS in Cash,Gold and Silver .

            Their wealth is HIDDEN by that TACTIC and I am sure you knew that so I believe MORE now that you are TROLLING for the Establishment. THAT was your mistake,feigning ignorance …..orrrr you are more lacking in information than you let on

            The key to this MAY be knowing your true motive….and then again maybe not

            Something else I have learned in life- Give a person enough rope and eventually they will hang their self and you have appeared to do just that.

            I may not be the “brightest bulb” in the house BUT life has taught me enough such that I am not easily deceived.

            There is no further point in your arguing this with me, as I am convinced, now, that you are not being completely honest, or at best, completely informed, and your motive is definitely not “kosher”

            This has been interesting and you have been a worthy,albeit cunningly, adversary, ( although that may not have been your intention) but my doubts about you cannot be erased now by what appear to be deliberate ignorance of truth and facts making your apparent MOTIVE very concerning for me.

          • smrstrauss

            My motive is that I hate stupid conspiracy theories. I hated the “truthers” claim that Bush planned the 911 conspiracy, and I hate the claims that Obama was born outside of the USA and that his birth certificate is forged.

            I take it that the Rothschilds are so rich and so powerful that they control Forbes and so secret that you never see them doing anything like other rich people. Where is their estate or estates? Why haven’t they married any supermodels? What’s the fun of being gigantically rich if nobody sees you doing anything with the money?

          • nofearorfavor

            They not only own Forbes they own 80 odd % of all assets on the planet.

          • smrstrauss

            So how come no Rothschilds marrying supermodels? How come no Rothschilds owning baseball teams or football teams?

          • nofearorfavor

            They only interbreed with their own and have super models for amusement as for baseball and football teams, my dear smrstrauss, too common for them, they consider it small change and leave it for their lackeys to indulge in. Loll

          • ellen

            No supermodel has ever said “I was the mistress of a Rothschild.” Are you claiming that Rothschilds are so smart as never to have mistresses or girlfriends and to marry only other smart Jewish people and to keep their marriages secret and not to have great mansions or have their daughters become debutants? Or give massive amounts to some college or set up their own charities? The reason that none of that happens is that the Rothschilds are no longer are enormously wealthy. They were once, in he 1840–1880sm but they are not even on the Forbes list anymore, and the idea that they control Forbes to keep them off the list (in contrast to putting them on it) is loony.

          • nofearorfavor

            We all know you’re a paid troll and a poorly informed one at that!

          • ellen

            Dream on. The entire Rothschild family added together doesn’t have as much money as the Bill Gates family.

          • nofearorfavor

            No Kenya in 1961 — did not exist, try British East Africa Protectorate.

          • smrstrauss

            Kenya existed in 1961. It wasn’t a country. It was still a COLONY. But Kenya, the Kenya Colony, did exist, and it was known as Kenya.

            The Kenya part of the British East African Protectorate became “the Kenya Colony” in 1920. Obama’s father came from Kenya, the Kenya COLONY.

            Obama’s mother, however, did not go to Kenya (or for that matter any other country) in 1961 because: (1) she almost certainly did not have a passport—very very few 18-year-olds did at the time; (2) it was EXTREMELY rare for women to travel outside of the USA late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirth; (3) there is a birth certificate from Hawaii showing that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital; (4) the fact that Hawaii sent that birth certificate to Obama has been confirmed repeatedly by the officials of both parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor (and has twice been confirmed by Kapiolani Hospita, which birther sites do not show); (5) the Kenyan government says that it investigated and Obama was NOT born there; (6) The US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) report for fiscal 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from KENYA (which, duh, did exist) and that all but one of them came ship—and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii or vice versa in 1961.

            Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for fiscal 1961:

            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n0/mode/1up

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

            On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

            So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

          • nofearorfavor

            No, Kenya Colony was only a part of British East Africa until 1963, when BEA became the Republic of Kenya. Still I would have had no grouse with where BO was born if he had proven himself the president he had so passionately lead Americans to believe he would be and he had been open about his roots to satisfy even the most doubting Thomas. But why seal his records as well as his wife’s?? Ordinary Americans like straight and simple honesty, as most folks worldwide do too. But unfortunately BO then proved a miserable failure, simply because he is lacked strength of character and plain guts and taking the easy way out, became another Zionist puppet like so many other presidents before him. If he had loved America, had cared for the people and revered the US Constitution & Bill of Rights and he’d even been half a man, he could have got millions of Americans to rescue the US from these evil bloodsucker oppressors who are the real rulers of the US and the so-called Free World. It is bloody tragic to say the least, as I thought he would have that rare brand of old fashioned guts, but no, he is an abject weakling. I do not think he is directly involved in disappearing- or the possible mysterious deaths, of people, but those who control him are. Further even his controllers are not all that high in the pecking order of the Zionist/Illuminati Masonic Cult, who are the real controllers of this planet… even we, who may consider ourselves free, are not free. Just think how most of the world is brainwashed from birth predictably to swim mainstream. I was really upset with Obama that he let Africans down, but maybe that’s good, as they now see him for the useless wastrel he is and this is opening their eyes. Sorry my friend, but Obama is a liar and completely corrupt. I just think ordinary people in general are good, they work hard, love their kids, pay their taxes and try to build a future and most of all, they love America. They do not deserve to be ripped off by those they elect to serve them. But perhaps this too is a blessing as it is serving to wake them up and take and interest in what happens to their tax dollars!
            “Truth, humor and an open mind maketh a man both strong and kind” (Anon) Enjoyed our converse. Take care.

          • ellen

            Obama was born in 1961, and in 1961 Kenya was called “the Kenya Colony”—Kenya for short, and that is what Obama’s father put down on Obama’s birth certificate, that he, the father, came from Kenya. Obama did NOT come from Kenya; he was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices all show.

            Oh, and Obama DID NOT “seal” either his own records or that of his wife. Neither are sealed. Both are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws—-the same laws that cover the private documents of Mitt Romney and ohn McCain, neither of whom showed their school or college transcripts, passport records, etc, etc,, either.

            As for the rest. You do not like Obama—so what else is new?

          • nofearorfavor

            Yes, fortunately with every passing day, fewer and fewer endorse Obama’s corrupt actions anymore! The eyes of Americans and those of the rest of the World have opened to Obama’s systematic destruction of a free America and a peaceful free planet.
            Sadly close minded, out of touch, waste of time trolls like you, will remain blind moles until their future-less lives end.

          • ellen

            None of which shows that Obama was born in a foreign country or is not a Natural Born Citizen or was not elected president back on November 6, 2012. You have the right to ask your congressman and senators to impeach, but so far there hasn’t even been Congressional hearings on the issue.

  • patriotwannabe

    It seems to me that
    smrstrauss has done some homework but it also seems to me that this guy is
    a robot of the administration employed to repudiate anyone who agrees with this
    article.

    I really don’t believe his response to the lawyer’s claims. Even with his
    slick answers I still believe the Sherriff’s report about the birth
    certificate, SSN and selective service card.

    I could see one possible anomaly but three, nope that doesn’t hold water
    strauss. One, maybe, three, no way.

    Now as a graphic artist and as someone with thirty years of typography
    experience I know fonts and I know the fonts used on the birth certificate
    didn’t even exist on a typewriter in 1961. I can see where the seal of
    the state was imported onto the document and frankly when the nurse filled out
    the cert she would have used common nomenclature. To say that a SS clerk
    made a mistake in 1977 or 1978 on a digit is preposterous. This is a
    person who types the same two initial digits all day long and
    would have immediately recognized the mistake. Each time the SS employee
    reviews their work and then asks the person if the information is correct on
    the document. Two sets of eyes would have seen the document and reviewed
    it.

    Strauss you’ve raised some questions no one here cares to answer because they
    are not relevant to the investigation that proved the document to be a forgery. You have asked about the poverty level of the
    parents and grandparents and the outrageous statement of SAD traveling to
    Africa to give birth. Where is the
    history of her existence in Hawaii at the time of his birth? Let’s google her name and Africa. Like her you wouldn’t find anything on me
    prior to 2000. If you searched my
    parents you’d come up empty handed so for you to have found the existence of
    such information on a poverty level person is indeed preposterous. You claim their income wouldn’t allow travel
    outside of the US and yet you also claim she wouldn’t have a passport. We haven’t secured our borders in 3013 what
    gives you the idea that a person even needed a passport to travel to Africa in
    1958, 59, 60 or 1961? There were people
    coming and going from both countries legally and illegally.

    Back to the graphics. You discounted in
    your mind three things from the lawyer’s claims that existed on the
    document. Do you have an answer to the
    non-sequential number of the cert? How
    do you explain the non-typewriter fonts that were illustrator fonts as well as
    the other nine anomalies that the independent investigator, Lt. Mike Zillo reported? A total of thirteen indisputable inaccuracies
    and forgeries. Like I said above, one –
    okay but thirteen? No, not
    thirteen.

    I could not scan an image as such with artificially yellowed paper and move the
    seal if it were not transplanted onto the document. A scan of an item is whole even when it is
    saved as a pdf. The only way to move
    items is to manipulate the information or construct the document.

    If I was the POTUS I’d want a liar like you on my side to help prove my
    case.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: :”it also seems to me that this guy isa robot of the administration…”

      I’m not employed by the Administration or the Democrats. Are you employed by the Republicans or the Tea Party? If you were, would it change the facts at all?

      Re: “I could see one possible anomaly but three, nope that doesn’t hold water… One, maybe, three, no way.”

      Answer: Two lies, the birth certificate forgery lie and the Selective Service forgery (forged by the guy who posted it, a birther) and one mistake, the Social Security number, generated by entering the zip code wrong. Are you claiming that birthers do not lie? (That would be absurd. They lied about what Obamas’ Kenyan grandmother said—she never said that he was born in Kenya, but they did not quote her when she said: “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time..” They lied when they said Abercrombie could not find the birth certificate. They lied when they said that Obama became an Indonesian citizen, and they lied when they said that Pakistan did not allow US citizens to visit when Obama visited). And they lied about Obama’s birth certificate being forged TOO.

      Re: “To say that a SS clerk made a mistake in 1977 or 1978 on a digit is preposterous.’

      Answer: There have been millions upon millions of mistakes by SS clerks:

      http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html

      Re: ” I can see where the seal of the state was imported onto the document..”

      Well nobody else can. The current seal of the state was affixed to the long form, and it is on the short-form too. Both are the official raised seal. And remember that the officials of BOTH parties have stated that they sent the short form and long form to Obama, and that all the facts are the same.

      Re: “Where is the history of her existence in Hawaii at the time of his birth…”

      She was attending the University of Hawaii that year, and the official birth certificate of Hawaii says that she was in Kapiolani Hospital on the day that Obama was born—and that is confirmed by the hospital (twice, but birther sites have never show either to you) and by the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, and the teacher who wrote home. And there is no evidence that she even had a passport (which is something that birther sites have not told you. Nor have they told you how extremely few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961).

      Re: “you’d come up empty handed so for you to have found the existence of such information on a poverty level person is indeed preposterous…”

      Answer: Dream on. The facts are that Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank. With two incomes, they were hardly “poverty level”—but they were hardly rich enough to send their daughter overseas when she was in late pregnancy, especially when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii. And they weren’t stupid enough to run the risk of stillbirth by sending her overseas when there was a risk of stillbirth.

      Re: “yet you also claim she wouldn’t have a passport..”

      Answer: I said that birthers have not been able to show that she had a passport in 1961 and that VERY VERY FEW 18-YEAR-OLDS DID.

      Re: “what gives you the idea that a person even needed a passport to travel to Africa in 1958, 59, 60 or 1961?”

      Answer: I remember that you needed a US passport to go (and come back) from every single country in the world in those days, except for Mexico and Canada (and Hawaii does not have a border with either of them). There were, BTW, no direct flights from Hawaii to Kenya or vice versa in those days.

      Re: “. Do you have an answer to the non-sequential number of the cert? ”

      The answer is very simple, they were not numbered in chronological order—a child born after the Nordyke Twins has a lower number than those that they received.They were probably processed in batches.

      Re: “How do you explain the non-typewriter fonts that were illustrator fonts as well as the other nine anomalies that the independent investigator, Lt. Mike Zillo reported? A total of thirteen indisputable inaccuracies.”

      Answer most (with the exception of those that were caused by very faint typing on a manual typewriter, such as the “TXE”—which was caused by the “H” in THE being too faint to be recognized—are explained by the way the Xerox WorkCentre works:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      Re: “The only way to move items is to manipulate the information or construct the document…”

      Answer: Sure. But no items were moved. The seal and the current stamp and signature were added to the long form after it had been photocopied onto security paper.

      Neither Obama’s long form nor his short form were forged. His Selective Service card WAS forged, but then a birther posted it. Three “Kenyan birth certificates” and several videos in which birthers claimed that Obama said that he was born in Kenya were also forged. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother DID NOT say that he was born in Kenya, and in fact said that he was born in HAWAII. Birther sites simply said that she said that he was born in Kenya. Their forgery of Obama’s Selective Service card and their claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged are other LIES that they have made. These are some of the reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review call birthers crazy, and not a single member of Congress has called for an investigation of Obama’s place of birth or of his birth certificate. Not one.

      Re: “

      • patriotwannabe

        You make assumptions on the lives of his parents and grandparents without evidence. Your assumptions wouldn’t hold up in court.
        I didn’t see the statement from Obama’s grandmother so I cannot speak to that. I find it interesting how she allegedly said what she said and then shortly after – died of a stroke.

        As I said before, this is farther reaching than you or me unless you’re the architect of it all and you’re defending yourself.

        • smrstrauss

          This is what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother (step-grandmother actually) said. (and BTW, she is still alive. It is the American grandmother who died, at the age of 85 from cancer, which she had had for years). The tape is available online:

          Transcript begins:

          “MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

          [Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]

          OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

          MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

          OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

          MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)

          [At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]

          OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

          Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.

          Ogombe then repeats that she (the grandmother) was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.

          End transcript. (Oh, and by the way, in another interview, the Kenyan grandmother said that the first that they had heard of Obama’s birth was in A LETTER FROM HAWAII.)

          That is what she said. To have claimed that she said that Obama was born in Kenya was A LIE. Why did birthers make that lie? Well, why did they publish forged videos that claimed that Obama said that he was born in Kenya (but you cannot see his mouth move? Why did they claim that Obama’s lawyer had said that Obama’s birth certificate was forged (she never said any such thing)? Why did they lie by omission and imply that Obama’s mother had a passport (when there is no evidence of it) or that foreign travel by women late pregnancy was not extremely rare? The fact is that birther sites did all of these things. The only thing that is “far reaching” are their LIES.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “A scan of an item is whole even when it is saved as a pdf.”

      Answer. Are you saying that the National Review is lying?

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      • patriotwannabe

        Yes I guess I am. You see, I saw with my own eyes how the parts of the document were all separate pieces and moved around at will. As I said, you scan a document it is one big piece. If you attempt to edit it with certian software it would have to be manipulated. This document was manipulated as parts moved independently. As for layers you’re right, scan a document then save it as a pdf and it has layers. Two not thirteen different parts independent of each other.

        Dude, if I recieved a document and looked at it as a pdf I would not be able to break it apart unless I use appropriate software to find all of the elements. Aparently Nathan Goulding isn’t a good enough artist to uncover the truth or he didn’t want to uncover the truth or was paid not to uncover the truth or he was paid not to tell the truth.

        There are bigger forces at play here than you and me. This story isn’t about a kid born in Hawaii as that has been fabricated. Both parties play with the money and money influences even the best intentions.

        Oh and you don’t get a raised seal on a copy. That’s the deal here, a copy is flattened by the device copying it. It is ineditable as a copy. Did you understand that? If a copy was sent to the WH it would be ineditible. This copy was manufacturered and editable.

        It looks as though you spent your entire day yesterday making sure you countered every negative comment with links for your answers. Guess what, if you went through the trouble to manufacture the cert, you would surely go through the trouble manufacturing links that support it.

        oh yeah, Arial wasn’t a font in 1961

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “I saw with my own eyes how the parts of the document were all separate pieces and moved around at will.”

          Yes, that is what the National Review says happens whenever a complex document is scanned into pdf and then opened in Illustrator, and that is what the research on the Xerox WorkCenter show happens when complex documents are scanned by the Xerox WorkCentre, compressed and put into PDF. Frankly, I believe the research of Nathan Goulding and the Xerox WorkCentre research, and NOT YOU.

          Re: “I would not be able to break it apart unless I use appropriate software to find all of the elements.” That software, Goulding says, is Adobe Illustrator.

          In addition to the birth certificates themselves, the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is shown by (1) the public Index Data file; (2) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961; (3) the teacher who wrote home to her father after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (4) the overwhelming odds against Obama’s mother having a passport and traveling abroad late in pregnancy.

          Re: “There are bigger forces at play here than you and me.”

          Would you like to buy a bridge? The “bigger forces at play” could far more easily have forged Mitt Romney’s birth certificate (he did not even have the confirmation of the officials in Michigan, or any Index Data or any birth notices sent to the Michigan newspapers by the DOH of Michigan), and Detroit is only about a mile from a foreign country, and Romney’s parents had a lot more money to travel than Obama’s parents.

          Re: “

          • patriotwannabe

            you are the only one in this discussion with a dog in this fight.

            Did you see the 3 hour presentation by Mike Zillo in St. Louis?

          • smrstrauss

            re seeing three hours.

            No. However, this is what the National Review says about Sheriff Joe, Zullo, and the rest of the Cold Case Posse:

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

          • patriotwannabe

            Exactly my point YOU SIR DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS. You rely on someone else’s view instead of reviewing the claims yourself.

            There, i win in my opinion.

            NO ONE SHOULD TRUST A WORD STRAUSS SAYS, HE HAS NOT REVIEWED THE EVIDENCE HE IS MAKING HIS DECISION FROM A LIBERAL THIRD PARTY.

            HE RELIES ENTIRELY ON HERESAY

          • smrstrauss

            NOBODY has to watch every three-hour presentation by a nut to know that he is a nut.

            Past claims of Sheriff Joe having being exposed as false are sufficient:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/

          • vladdy1

            Nobody has to see the evidence to know that the presenter is a nut? Interesting point-of-view.

          • ellen

            My statement was “NOBODY has to watch every three-hour presentation by a nut…” IN other words, if someone has watched previous three-hour sessions by the nut that is sufficient, and I have. Here, btw, is what the National Review thinks of Sheriff Joe:

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

      • mtsnj

        You got that one backwards smartass.. Layers exist because the creator failed to flatten the image before saving it.

        • smrstrauss

          Precisely. If you do not flatten a pdf image, it shows the layers that were in it naturally. If you do flatten it, it does not show the layers. The fact that a probably unpaid intern at the White House did not flatten the image and hence it showed its normal layers proves nothing. Layers are normal.

          Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          • mtsnj

            Layer can be normal in graphic arts..However in this case they are TOTALLY ABnormal. mismatched Fonts overwritting others, Densities/pixels that don’t match with others present…cmon only a troll would try to defend this amateurish attempt, erasures to overwite, what a joke your on your own in this arguement.

          • smrstrauss

            Explained by the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre scans a complex document, compresses it and puts the results into pdf.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

            And, for a shorter look at why the “it was forged” theory is so nutty, look at:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-ospit-or-nstitution-not-in-ospit/

          • mtsnj

            you have no valid argument here. I know what I see in these layers they were placed there on purpose. these layers were not original to the original document.. any attempt to refute this is a lie, and a cover up. Why are you trying to support this are you a supportive liar yourself.

          • smrstrauss

            The original document has no layers because it was ON PAPER, security paper to be precise. It was the scan of the paper document on the Xerox WorkCenter and the putting of it into pdf that created the layers. That is how the Xerox WorkCentre works.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

            Moreover, this short article shows how absurd the forgery theory is:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-ospit-or-nstitution-not-in-ospit/

          • mtsnj

            You wrote ” The fact that a probably unpaid intern at the White House did not flatten the image and hence it showed its normal layers proves nothing.” It proves everything.. You are now caught up in your own Lie/cover up. In order for as you say, an unpaid intern to be manipulating an image failed to flatten it…If it were a flat real document to begin with there would be no need to flatten it! This was computer enhanced Period. in a time where this type of technology did not exist, this was not an original period time document. This was altered in modern times.

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “If it were a flat real document to begin with there would be no need to flatten it!”

            It was a flat document, on flat paper, and both the National Review and the research on the Xerox WorkCentre prove that layers are created in the process of putting a complex document into pdf.

          • Are You Kidding?

            Hey prick. See for yourself with no special skills or software:

            1. Dowload pdf dated 4/27/11 yourself from wh dot gov
            2. open pdf in adobe reader
            3. Select all (ctrl+a) (all turns blue to indicate selected)
            4. past into paintbrush (ctrl+v)

            Open your eyes and pull your head out. Where is your text now?? HMMM??? Do you see how poor a forgery itis? You DO NOT get a mutilated multi-layer image with marks all over it when you scan a paper image. Face it, you are not smarter than the people you meet. You are delusional.

          • ellen

            When you scan complex paper document (and documents on security paper are always complex) and put it into PDF (as Obama’s birth certificate was) and open it in Adobe Illustrator, you get LAYERS. That is normal with pdf.

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released,

            namely that there are embedded layers in the
            document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into iit and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          • ellen
    • mtsnj

      I don’t know why smartass keeps on trying to convince the world he/she has the “facts” as to why a xerox POS workcenter will make layers out of a flat document. I guess it also created the green background to match up as well..
      THere’s no way to convince me what I can break down by layers, that would never in a million years be present just because a scanner miraculously made layers. Graphic artists make layers and then join all together to make your final product. Someone forgot to flatten the image…but smartass must be a troll who will defend the lie to his/her grave.

      • ellen

        Re: “THere’s no way to convince me what I can break down by layers, that would never in a million years be present just because a scanner miraculously made layers.”

        Answer: I’m not trying to convince YOU.

        I post the facts for rational people, and the research on the Xerox WorkCenter shows that it makes layers when it compresses a complex document and puts it into pdf.

        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/12/woodman-writes-retrospective/

        http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2013/12/epilogue-confirmed-confirmed-reconfirmed/

        http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/xerox-workflow/the-xerox-workcentre-workflow-successes/

        • mtsnj

          Oh and it created all the other problems noted in this article too right? Keep drinking the koolaid sister your president is a fraud.

          • smrstrauss

            Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Birthers just keep claiming it. Documents on security paper are supposed to have anomalies, that is what security paper is supposed to create. And scans of faintly typed characters result in mistakes in the image, particularly when it is put into pdf. Layers are normal in a complex pdf document.

            The FACTS are that Obama has shown both his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama’s mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

            Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama’s birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama’s birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama’s lawyer “admitting” that Obama’s birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said “I was born in Kenya”–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged “Kenyan birth certificates” three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

            So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama’s birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.”) And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

          • mtsnj

            All your blather does not show the facts of inconsistencies of even how it would not have been filled out back then. If I made a copy of mine from way back it would not show faults and changes in fonts. Give it a REST your Dead wrong.

          • smrstrauss

            Rational people will notice that mtsnj did not respond to the facts.

  • Ricky Ross

    “We’re also told that Fuddy (photo above) had previously said that she had something to release to the media. It looks like that won’t be happening now”

    I wonder if it was something about Fukushima?

  • janice

    Lorretta was injected with poison. My second cusin has the proof with how she was going to expose our commander and chief… It is now in the hands of 3 well know people. Hold on to your ass obama, game over!

  • Saflak

    The most likely explanation for why Obama spent over $2 million dollars fighting release of his original (not a copy) of his birth certificate is not because he was born in Kenya, but because he was born in Hawaii and wanted to cover up the fact that the Kenyan was not his real father. It is much more likely that Frank Davis Marshall was his real father and a release of the original birth certificate may raise questions about his biological father. See http://www.obamasrealfather.com/

  • et Setera

    Obama’s Birth Certificate issue reeks of fraud, and it isn’t going to go away until the truth is known. Meanwhile, this fraudster and his handlers are able to commit criminal acts with impunity against the American people and the rest of the world. It is important that the evidence can stand up, though – and an old atlas printed in 1960 shows Kenya as an African country. Loretta Fuddy’s untimely death deserves the most meticulous investigation, she does not need ‘red herrings’ .

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “Obama’s Birth Certificate issue reeks of fraud..”

      The issue reeks of fraud because birthers keep claiming that his birth certificate is forged even though it isn’t forged. That is one of the ways that the can attack Obama, and they have shown themselves willing to lie many many times in the past.

      Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

      One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

      Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

      And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

      Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

      Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

      Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

      Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

      And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  • Hillbilly

    As amusing an entertaining as it was reading patriotwannabe and smrstrauss debate the irrelevant obscurity of “layers” in Obama’s fake birth certificate. Reminded me of the “Shrek” cartoon using an onion metaphorically speaking describing the different “layers” of Shrek’s personality. Please, Dear Sirs, allow me to intervene http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf, But seriously thanks for the laugh ,guys……Nowhere, anywhere, in the United States of America, in the year of 1961, (African anything), describing race appeared on ANY birth certificate.Besides the fact “African” is not even a race, they’re just laughing at us now. There is no way possible for this forgery to be a copy of an original.. prove me wrong, Yes, there are tress up ahead, and if you group them all together we call that a forest

    • smrstrauss

      In HAWAII, you were allowed to use any word you wanted to describe your race. Any word. Some people put down “American”—which is not a race, you know. Some said that their relatives put down “Italian”—and that isn’t a race either. And what was the word that African exchange students normally used to describe their race in the 1960′s? Answer AFRICAN.

      Re “forgery.”

      The FACTS are that Obama has shown both his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama’s mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

      Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama’s birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama’s birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama’s lawyer “admitting” that Obama’s birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said “I was born in Kenya”–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged “Kenyan birth certificates” three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

      So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama’s birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.”) And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

  • smrstrauss

    Re the four questions. Here are the four answers:

    Re: “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how can the Obama
    “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t
    even used at that time?”

    ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.

    The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word you
    wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one stood
    over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii of
    people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use any
    word you wanted.

    And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.

    Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after
    Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s
    father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until
    Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa
    Protectorate”.”

    Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY.

    In short, it was called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”), and it
    was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.

    Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed
    place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”.
    This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called
    “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”,
    respectively. ”

    Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.

    How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for the
    Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and what
    is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer:
    Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

    Finally, Obama’s book clearly says that his GRANDfather fought in WWII, and in fact his GRANDfather really did fight in WWII. Obama’s book did not say, nor did
    Obama (though there is a forged video that claims that he said it) that
    his father, who was indeed too young to fight in WWII, fought in WWII. Obama’s book said that Obama’s American grandfather fought in WWII. Why not check on things like this?

  • Skeeter

    It was actually the British East Africa Protectorate until 1920 when it became the colony of Kenya. Check the British East Africa Protectorate wiki page. Next time do your homework when you post hyperlinks in your article.

    • smrstrauss

      That is correct, and it is what I noted below:

  • kidzapp

    If you look at smrstrauss’s profile and history you will see that he has been defending this issue ALL day, EVERY day since this story started. With that kind of time, energy and tenacity, not to mention the repetition with all the links that he continually provides, its pretty telling as to what is going on with him….Its almost as if he is being paid to do this. If I may ask, what do you do for a living sir? Other than this?

    • mickrussom

      Its a government set of agents and bots.

  • http://tinyurl.com/3kurlm2 Intbel

    Sod this. It’s not a discussion, is it? It’s a fight in which some folks have no interest in honest debate to arrive at the truth of the matter and their only goal is to ‘prove’ how their opinion is the only valid opinion and some of those opinions have been adopted from others without being questioned.

    This ain’t the Bill O’Reilly show!

  • Nick Sanchez

    It doesn’t look like the impact was that bad at all. Furthermore, no one sounds like they or anyone else is in distress after the cabin doors are opened. http://gma.yahoo.com/see-harrowing-video-hawaiian-plane-crash-inside-cabin-131117331–abc-news-topstories.html

  • smrstrauss

    The Hawaii police say that Fuddy, who was 65 and not at all fit, died of an irregular heart beat:

    http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/54061520/#.UtassvuakoE

    http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html

    But, if you do not believe the police, since you insist on conspiracy theory, well what is wrong with “a giant drug company did it because Fuddy was about to launch an investigation of one of their products.” That theory has just as much behind it as the nutty dream that Fuddy was about to change her story about Obama. (There is no sign that she was, of course)

    She was, by the way, just one of four officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate (The other three are still alive) and it is also confirmed by the public Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

    So according to the “Fuddy was killed by Obama” theory, Fuddy would have had to have reversed what she said before, and denounced the other three officials, and somehow showed that the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 were all wrong. And, by the way, we do not even know that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—-and very very few 18-year-olds did at that time, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy due to the risk of stillbirths.

    But, according to the “Fuddy was killed by Obama” theory ALL that would have had to have happened AND the birth certificate forged AND the four officials and the Index Data and the birth notices ALL be lying, AND Fuddy was about to change her mind and blow the whistle.

    How likely is that?

    • mickrussom

      The “Certificate” photoshop parade replete with non-extant fonts. Check out Elizabeth Nordyke’s real birth certificate.

      • smrstrauss

        Neither Obama’s short-form birth certificate (the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii) nor the long-form birth certificate were made in 1961, and they are not supposed to be. The short form is computer generated, and it is SUPPOSED to be computer generated. The physical copy of long form was a photocopy onto security paper of the original BC in the files. The different fonts are the result of faint typing and the way that the scan of the physical document and putting it into pdf works.

        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

        It is, of course, UNNECESSARY to forge a birth certificate that is EXACTLY the same as the one that you were sent. Yet you think that it is forged despite the fact that the officials in Hawaii of both parties have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the birth certificate that the White House has published are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

        So the “it was forged” story is simply another birther lie. Like these lies:

        (1) Birthers said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

        (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

        (3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?

        (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

        (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

        (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

        (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”

        (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama’s BC—when there weren’t ANY???

        (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

        (10) Birther sites said that Obama entered college as a foreign student—but the story comes from an April Fool’s article and there has never been a shred of evidence to confirm it.

    • mbrady

      There is nothing more that I would like to see than the impeachment of
      Obama. It seems that there is reasonable circumstantial evidence to
      suggest that Obama’s family may have connections to the CIA. Obama
      seems to me to be a pathological liar and I think that his policies and ideology are dangerous to everyone in the world.

      With all that said, smrstrauss has been very accurate in his examination of evidence. I’ve watched all the videos, followed all the blogs, and searched for opinions and analysis. In the end, smrstrauss demonstrates that there is nothing of consequence in all the “revelations” about Obama’s birth records.

    • pearl87

      Is there any possible evidence that cannot be explained away by Obamatons?
      There is none so blind as he who will not see.

      • smrstrauss

        Notice that pearl87 has not responded to the facts cited above. Not to a single fact. (I wonder why not???)

  • Rogoraeck

    To all of you! Obamabots from any agency. You are EXPENDABLE MEAT!

  • Enzo

    JOAN RIVERS is now in heaven with Loretta.

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